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Never Enough Champagne

J.J.

Lives in an IH Dealership
the patience of Job, not to get all Biblical on your thread, but at least there is not a Sponge Bob, YET that is hahaha.

Not my battle but I vote for paint, can fix that. Powder not so much. Suggestion too on the rubber, Every now and then I will use spray silicone on mine to lubricate and keep pliable. Someone will probably spank me for that comment but Im nearly 30 years in and no problems on any of my junk.

JJ in TN
 

800bman

High Wheeler
Yep I badmouth powder coating but it’s coming along. Just sucks if it gets damaged has to be stripped and redone, and Ed I know sometimes you get nicks and scratches and I’m helping you avoid the headache. For all others that want options on the wing windows this is the best color option I’ve found readily available, Ed has his paint situation already solved....
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oneof3k

High Wheeler
One of the orig Columbus doors on the pass side, came from a 59 after the big wreck Dad had..the vent window frame looks to be stainless, could be chrome but it's in extremely good shape if its chrome..but I've only got the one..
The rest are-were painted....I'll probably wind up painting mine as well..
Greg I wonder if yours are the same as later C series.Iam almost positive I have some stainless ones for my 68
When you two clowns get your act together and figure out which wing/vent window you might need for Columbus, get me some specs and/or a pic. The next time I'm up at Coonrod's, I can take a look to see if he has any, either the plain Jane or the SS version. He has Scout II windows coming out of his rear end but not sure about older trucks.

Not my battle but I vote for paint, can fix that. Powder not so much. Suggestion too on the rubber, Every now and then I will use spray silicone on mine to lubricate and keep pliable. Someone will probably spank me for that comment but Im nearly 30 years in and no problems on any of my junk.
The junk comment could be taken at least two different ways (personal junk :detective:and IH junk:ihtractor:). Plz don't tell me you use silicone on both!

I too have been using silicone oil and it does help restore older rubber. But it doesn't bring back real hardened rubber from the dead. I soaked my rubber bulkhead electrical connectors, firewall grommets, etc. in said stuff for months and it helped. I'm currently applying silicone to the window seals on a daily basis until I put them back together again.

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Perdido

Farmall Cub
I too have been using silicone oil and it does help restore older rubber. But it doesn't bring back real hardened rubber from the dead. I soaked my bulkhead rubber connectors, firewall grommets, etc. in said stuff for months and it helped. I'm currently applying silicone to the window seals on a daily basis until I put them back together again.

I’ve been soaking my rubber bits in SuperClean to remove dirt, grease and overspray and even the hard rubber softens up quite a bit. It also leaves the rubber looking close to new, not perfect, but much nicer.
Rut
 

oneof3k

High Wheeler
Painted up the door and wing/vent window frames, let them bake in the sun in our living room for a few days, then put them back together. I was all excited to install them but unfortunately, I forgot to paint the all the related fasteners. So those are now soaking in some rust go bye bye solution, followed by some paint in a few days.

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I think it was worth taking the wing/vent windows apart. It allowed me to fully lube up the seals, polish the chrome knob, and only cost perhaps :twocents: in rivets!

I'm not sure if I would take the door windows apart for the next build.... I spent too much time trying to get the seals back into the frames. They either did not sit quite right (sagged) or they ended up inside the frames.

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Next to the cost of paint and paint supplies, it's ridiculous how much the window guides cost me. I sure hope that these, in addition to updating the regulators, will allow for one-handed up/down window operation!

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Full disclosure: I stole Jay Maitland's paint color (VHT SP188 Wheel Paint Ford Argent Silver) from his '65 build. Real close to stock, but has a bit of a metallic hue which I kinda like. Don't take that personally 800bman!
 

oneof3k

High Wheeler
Thx Gents. Windows are in but that "adventure" will be documented in the next posting.

First off, as I'm still counting down the weeks before I can resume something close to real work, I took the opportunity to tally up the various types of builds at this particular point in time. On the first page, that would be 13 Scout IIs and various iterations, six full-sized IHs, and only one Scout 80 or 800 build. It's a good thing my uncle, the former Mayor of NY City, thinks that we can stretch that number to 7 without admitting any distruths. In fact, he thinks that there may be some conspiracy theories being circulated against Scout 80/800s. Maybe they will take center stage in a week?

Even though I could get the doors (with or without windows) to close properly, they did require a bit of persuasion. Maybe even a lot. I ended up taking all the guts out of the doors and then took them apart as far as I could. Lubed up all the moving parts, performed some minor body work (rebending some tabs) reinstalled them, readjusted everything, but they still weren't closing easy peasy. Turns out the door dovetail receptors (I'm sure there is a better name for that animal) were acting their age. New ones at ScoutFarts only cost $161. After some lubing and exercising and threats, they finally got with the program. I can now fully close the doors without any appreciable effort! From both the inside and outside.

Outside. Yet another sore point. I really dislike saggy mammary glands and saggy door handles. Can't do much about the former, but after a bit of investigation, I found that the square rod connected to the door handle to the guts was/were slightly worn. It's amazing that just a small amount of wear can cause the handle to sag a lot! I added a bead of weld to the rod and ground it down, test fitted, ground it down, test fitted..... you get the picture. They are now about 90% better and now lay flat like they should. Hot Damn. Didn't bother to see what new outside door handles cost at my favorite above LL dealer, but probably more than I paid for the truck!

Now for some pics, not of the above but related to a couple of questions for those 80/800 affectioners. First, can anyone tell be the purpose of the third hole in the door? Nothing there to adjust or access that I can tell.

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It now has a plug but.....

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Second, there were a couple of openings (holes) backed by either weld nuts or a plate (can't recall which) behind the PS seat and below where a bulkhead would go if so equipped. Perhaps the IH engineers were decades ahead of their time and fitted the area for child latches? I filled the openings with some extra screws but....

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That's all for now. Stay happy and consider staying at home next week.
 
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Arkansas Dave

High Wheeler
Good looking job your doing there Ed! I like to see things going back together all nice and clean and looking factory new. I hope mine looks half that good.

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Kohler

Farmall Cub
I really dislike saggy mammary glands...

Now for some pics...
Thanks for not following up with documentation of that one...
Excellent work also. That paint colour can look drastically different depending on the lighting... because the metallic maybe?
 

oneof3k

High Wheeler
Good looking job your doing there Ed! I like to see things going back together all nice and clean and looking factory new. I hope mine looks half that good.
Thx Dave! It is certainly much easier and rewarding to deal with clean and nonrusty parts. This build is a lot like yours; taking forever!
Thanks for not following up with documentation of that one...
Excellent work also. That paint colour can look drastically different depending on the lighting... because the metallic maybe?
Mark, a year or so ago I recall you saying something like you're damn near an "expert" at painting having shot 3-4 gallons! I'm in the same boat; freely admit I don't have much of a clue. So is the aluminum flakes in the metallic paint what causes the color variations? Or lighting? Or dog hair? Or Jupiter's orbit around the sun? Best to ask someone with real knowledge.
 

oneof3k

High Wheeler
To Roll or Not To Roll....

As noted in the above posting, the door and wing/vent windows are in their permanent home so I can now move onto the next challenge. During installation, a few choice words may have escaped from my mouth, but in hindsight, the job was not all that difficult. Just like most things Scout or IH or life in general, with a bit of experience, luck, and thought, the job goes a lot smoother! Next build, next build, next build!

Here's how I installed the windows. Not saying this is the best way, but it worked for me.
  1. Access to the internal door opening mechanisms are nearly impossible to fully lube/adjust with the window regulator and window in place, so make sure that those components are working to your standards beforehand.
  2. Install the rear window channel (I left the front channel inplace). I documented that project quite a while back. One can purchase a rear window channel guide but I chose to make my own out of felt.
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  3. Install the regulator. The hardest part for those of us that are mentally challenged was to figure out which one was the DS and which the PS. That and trying to figure out how to keep most of the grease from transferring from the regulator onto one's hands and arms during install! I rebuilt and powder coated the regulators some time ago.
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  4. Raise the regulator most of the way up and place the window on top of the regulator arms. I highly recommend paying way too much for the front channel guide that screws onto the leading edge of the window as previously documented. Then, carefully place the window frames onto the arm "pins" one side at a time. Then install the regulator clips in the back of the pins to hold the window in place. Test operation of the window noting that it won't be perfectly smooth without the wing/vent window front channel in place.
  5. Install the outer rubber squeegee strip to the door with the window all the way down. Note that the manual says to do this before anything but I disagree as it was real hard to get the rear window channel in place and somewhat hard to lower the window in place.
  6. Place the felt strip onto the door.
  7. Install wing/vent window.
  8. Test window operation.
  9. Adjust the front channel if needed. In my case, one side fit well, the other side required minor adjustment.
  10. Congratulate yourself! :beer:
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Window down....

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Soooooooo, how do they operate? I've never owned a Scout before that didn't require two hands to lower and raise the windows until now! The DS is truly an index finger and thumb operation. The PS is a bit harder, but still easily done with one hand. I suspect the PS rear window channel felt is binding the window operation slightly, so that should improve with continued operation. Rattles? What rattles. I always thought that Scout windows were designed to have 1/2" of side-to-side play. The bottom line? Who needs power windows.

I don't think any single window part was responsible for the ease of operation, rather it was the sum of all parts. So don't cheap out by only throwing a bunch of grease on the regulator and expect smooth easy operation. Take the time and money to do it right. It makes Scout ownership sooooo much more pleasant!

Epilogue. While I try to support our LL dealers and especially Coonrod's, one can save a lot of green backs by purchasing parts such as regulator clips, window felt kits, etc. from alternate sources.

What's next on the to do list? TBD, but I will say that Kate was not at all impressed with the addition of some new furniture!

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Enjoy the weekend all!
 

oneof3k

High Wheeler
The World Is Coming To An End Part 17....

I've been laying low for the past few weeks but that doesn't mean much forward progress. Finished up a few little things but mostly I've been trying to figure out this replacement headliner thing without much success.

I reinstalled the transmission cover hopefully for the last time. Even though not original, I like the triple shifter boot even if the overdrive knob looks out of place.

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After much procrastination, the slave cylinder and clutch inspection cover finally found their permanent home.

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Installed the fuel tanks, once again, hopefully for the last time. I still have to run the hard lines so the covers need to come off again, but I'm just looking for a small moral victory!

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Here's the end of the world part of this post.... after several months of the engine, transmission, and TC doing nothing but sitting and gathering dust but full of fluids, I had my first oil leak/drip. I guess I need to start over? I feel extremely confident that once it warms up and I start driving this Scout (wishful thinking), the leaks will become as routine as the sun rising each morning!

Seats. The good news is that my embossed seat inserts and the virgin vinyl are somewhere between CO and PA (ultimately they should be in the capable hands of Jeff Jamison for transformation into CS seat covers).

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A couple of weeks ago, JJ was kind enough to find the space in his car to haul this stuff to TN on his way back from CO. Shipping costs roughly halved. Then in an unexpected turn of events, they hitched a ride north via one of the best metal workers I know of (Jim C. aka JRC55) and all around great guy who was picking up some parts from JJ for his upcoming 800 build. Shipping costs further reduced. I thank you both from the bottom of my heart and checkbook.

During disassembly of the front seats, the bad news surfaced. I found that a mouse or more then likely a family of 40,000 mice make their home inside the DS seat.

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After removing most of the nesting and sh!t from the seat bottom, I sprayed two rounds of bleach on it. It still stunk like a skunk. So I checked my marriage status (OK this week) and filled the bathtub with a potent solution and let it soak overnight. Finally, that seemed to do the trick!

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I'm not sure if IH used yet another color for the seat frames or not, but I'm going with the dark brownish grey paint that I used for the heating box/ducting. I know that color is close.

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I hope that Jeff Jamison will post some progress pics of his seat work! And someday, the covers will need to find a ride back to CO. Any volunteers?

The headliners in RCS's and CS's, along with the custom/doll up 800's were made primarily of paper. It's a bit more complex than that, but in trying to replicate the original headliner, the most difficult part (for me thus far) is trying to mimic the embossed paper on a Scout scale. I have untold hours into this project with only limited progress so far. Hopefully I'll find that smoking gun/silver lining/etc. before I give up.

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Question: besides more advertising income, why did the powers that be update this site? Seemed like the old site worked just fine. Progress I guess.

And lastly, I went up to Coonrod's yesterday, mostly as a social call but I did manage to leave him some greenbacks. While wandering around, I found a couple of things of note. First, he does have a few Scout II windshield frames that are free of cancer but far from free, and second, it appears that Scout II tops are for the birds!

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Have a great day and the rest of the week! And thxs for putting up with my BS!
 

Kohler

Farmall Cub
I reinstalled the transmission cover hopefully for the last time. Even though not original, I like the triple shifter boot even if the overdrive knob looks out of place.
Here's the end of the world part of this post.... after several months of the engine, transmission, and TC doing nothing but sitting and gathering dust but full of fluids, I had my first oil leak/drip. I guess I need to start over? I feel extremely confident that once it warms up and I start driving this Scout (wishful thinking), the leaks will become as routine as the sun rising each morning!
I like the look of the triple shifter boot, and the immaculate looking interior! You'll have to remove your outer footwear before driving.

I called Coonrods about the frames previously... definately more than I'm willing to pay, but I can be pretty cheap by times. And now I finally found a use for my hard top, a chicken shelter.
 

Jeff Jamison

Lives in an IH Dealership
No I have not received the package yet,will let every one know when I do.The headliner is looking good,you will get it perfect.On the grass stuff on the seats,there is something else that can be used now if it doesnt have to be 100% original.
 
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