Inquiring About Some Red Iron

[mjmck]

Good Morning All,
I have been trying to obtain a neat old truck my company currently has. A back story is we obtained the truck from an old Foundry where it was presumed to spend all of its life. Its currently running (rough), however not road worthy (in means of brakes, etc). It does have a working pump on it that was replaced about 3 years ago. The truck is extremely solid and I would like to "revive" it as a toy for myself. Plan on keeping the petina and fire truck look. Trying to find more information on this and determining what it really is (year assuming it is a 69 or 70, model, engine, trans, etc.). What is something like this worth? Check out the mileage too, not certain it is legit but have reasonable doubt it is. Are maintenance parts easy to obtain for this vintage truck?
Pics or it didn't happen.

 

[David Banner]

If it was truly only for being a first response vehicle around the factory/foundry area then that's totally possible. The brake, gas, and clutch (if manual) pedal pads should look brand new.

One of the Air Stations I used to do site visits/inspections of in AK had a narrow ½ mile corridor between buildings -- because of the extreme winter weather they had a special firetruck & ambulance that lived in the corridor! Those service vehicles probably didn't see 100 miles a year!

 

[mjmck]

If it was truly only for being a first response vehicle around the factory/foundry area then that's totally possible. The brake, gas, and clutch (if manual) pedal pads should look brand new.

One of the Air Stations I used to do site visits/inspections of in AK had a narrow ½ mile corridor between buildings -- because of the extreme winter weather they had a special firetruck & ambulance that lived in the corridor! Those service vehicles probably didn't see 100 miles a year!

I would say they look to be in great condition (less the mud). Rubber floor protector is barely worn in the accelerator heel area. The clutch was definitely used a lot as the floor protector behind is in poor shape. Additionally the throw out bearing is making a rukus/whirring type of sound. I bet this truck has a lot of hours for the age but little miles running pumps.

 

[MrKenmore]

That's real neat! Not sure of value. I find lots of those old fire pumper IH's don't necessarily sell for big money. Yes they are unique but very impractical if you maintain their existing configuration and drive it around. Looks super clean inside. I would definitely grab it if you can. Maybe $2,500 - $4,500 is a fair price???

I'd take a look at the rear. It may have one of those super duper Eaton rears. This makes things more unpractical as the gearing will be incredibly low and kinda useless for normal use. It's unlikely but at least you know what you're getting into. Try flipping the glove box down and you may find the LST (build sheet) on top. That will give a lot of great info.

 

[Dana Strong]

an old Foundry where it was presumed to spend all of its life.

What foundry in which state? Is it still in production and did it work with Iron, brass, aluminum, everything?

You can get the Line Setting Ticket which lists everything the truck was built with by contacting any good LightLine distributor or going to the Wisconsin Historical Society; lots of information here about both, and probably more w/ online searching. IIRC, the fee is about $25 for the LST. An original abbreviated copy may be somewhere in the truck, e.g. behind the glove compartment box.
What paperwork comes with the truck? I believe it would have been further outfitted with the pump, etc. by another company.

 

[mjmck]

That's real neat! Not sure of value. I find lots of those old fire pumper IH's don't necessarily sell for big money. Yes they are unique but very impractical if you maintain their existing configuration and drive it around. Looks super clean inside. I would definitely grab it if you can. Maybe $2,500 - $4,500 is a fair price???

I'd take a look at the rear. It may have one of those super duper Eaton rears. This makes things more unpractical as the gearing will be incredibly low and kinda useless for normal use. It's unlikely but at least you know what you're getting into. Try flipping the glove box down and you may find the LST (build sheet) on top. That will give a lot of great info.

I will try and get a pic of that in a bit. It has a monster rear axle under it for sure. This will purely be a toy for me, car shows. I have taken it to a parade before and it got a ton of attention.

This style is right up my alley, neat old petina'd trucks.

 

[mjmck]

What foundry in which state? Is it still in production and did it work with Iron, brass, aluminum, everything?

You can get the Line Setting Ticket which lists everything the truck was built with by contacting any good LightLine distributor or going to the Wisconsin Historical Society; lots of information here about both, and probably more w/ online searching. IIRC, the fee is about $25 for the LST. An original abbreviated copy may be somewhere in the truck, e.g. behind the glove compartment box.
What paperwork comes with the truck? I believe it would have been further outfitted with the pump, etc. by another company.

Its spent its life in Massena, NY at an Alcoa Foundry. Assuming aluminum was the key product and is still in operating status. I assume the only paperwork will be a BOS from my company. The body is a Thibault, but I am not sure who actually outfitted it together.

 

[BinderBookie]

October '69 is 1970 model year production.

 

[mjmck]

I assume being a 70 that a BOS will be sufficient to eventually register in NYS (I think titles only date back to 73/72?). On a side note does anyone know if this transmission has synchros? Should this thin be shifted like a "big rig" with double clutching? Reason I ask it it seems to not want to go into 3rd shifting conventionally. Went out and did some more digging. If the LST is supposed to be inside/or on the back of the glove box I am out of luck....

Also got a pic of the hour meter:

A few more pics just because we all like them....

 

[MrKenmore]

4 speed? Probably a T98 in there.

 

[mjmck]

4 speed? Probably a T98 in there.

Correct, it is a 4 speed.

 

[mjmck]

The deal is done. This truck is now mine.

 

[MrKenmore]

Nice!!!! Great news. What did you pay for it? (I won't bother with the "if you don't mind me asking" follow up as I'm very curious what such a unique IH would go for.)

 

[mjmck]

Nice!!!! Great news. What did you pay for it? (I won't bother with the "if you don't mind me asking" follow up as I'm very curious what such a unique IH would go for.)

Unfortunately this sale will not reflect what this truck is worth. I figured this truck in current condition(barely a yard truck) is in the $2k range. Luckily with my working relationship I literally got the truck for nothing. And I mean nothing.

 

[jeff campbell]

I assume being a 70 that a BOS will be sufficient to eventually register in NYS (I think titles only date back to 73/72?). On a side note does anyone know if this transmission has synchros? Should this thin be shifted like a "big rig" with double clutching? Reason I ask it it seems to not want to go into 3rd shifting conventionally. Went out and did some more digging. If the LST is supposed to be inside/or on the back of the glove box I am out of luck....
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Also got a pic of the hour meter:
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A few more pics just because we all like them....
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2nd 3rd & 4th only syncrod.not 1st.yes T-98.

 

[mjmck]

2nd 3rd & 4th only syncrod.not 1st.yes T-98.

Thank you. I bet this truck ran 1st and 2nd all its life. Maybe the 3rd synchro is shot from no use? I need to try a double clutch. But brakes are so bad I dont like going that fast.



Plan is to get it home over the next few weeks. Then we will slowly get it roadworthy.

 

[MrKenmore]

Unfortunately this sale will not reflect what this truck is worth. I figured this truck in current condition(barely a yard truck) is in the $2k range. Luckily with my working relationship I literally got the truck for nothing. And I mean nothing.

Good for you!!!! That's terrific.

 

[patrick r]

Cool truck!
With 1000 hrs on it your odometer would seem correct. I wouldn’t worry about the trans too much. Change the fluid and get some miles on it. I’d bet it will loosen up.


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[mjmck]

Can anyone shed insight on how to classify this engine? Looks like options are 304, 345 and 392? How do I differentiate?

Also looks like tons of options for brakes on rockauto. Many different sizes for a 1300d.

 

[MrKenmore]

There's a tab on the block that will have the CI on it. It's the circled location in the pic.