Car show catagorys-What is stock?

[lonchair]

I'm getting ready to see the light at the end of the tunnel with my restoration and wanted to see what catagory I an gonna fall into.

I'm restoring a 1976 Terra. It started life as a 4cyl., 2wd, 4spd. truck with plain bench seat interior. I'm rebuilding it as a 4wd, 345 4bbl., 4spd. The engine is all stock except for some tastfull chroming of stock parts. The interior is converted to a Midas one with all true Midas parts and the exterior will stay the stock color, but will have a midas paint scheme applied to it.

I've even made up my own vacuum line diagram decal so it looks like the 345 4bbl. is stock. The only non stock type parts I'm putting on it are parts that look like they were available over an IH part counter (Like Tuff Terrain Products stuff).

Where would I fall at a car show-IH only and a general show with modified and stock catagories?

[John Donnelly]

Originally Posted by lonchair

I'm getting ready to see the light at the end of the tunnel with my restoration and wanted to see what catagory I an gonna fall into.

I'm restoring a 1976 Terra. It started life as a 4cyl., 2wd, 4spd. truck with plain bench seat interior. I'm rebuilding it as a 4wd, 345 4bbl., 4spd. The engine is all stock except for some tastfull chroming of stock parts. The interior is converted to a Midas one with all true Midas parts and the exterior will stay the stock color, but will have a midas paint scheme applied to it.

I've even made up my own vacuum line diagram decal so it looks like the 345 4bbl. is stock. The only non stock type parts I'm putting on it are parts that look like they were available over an IH part counter (Like Tuff Terrain Products stuff).

Where would I fall at a car show-IH only and a general show with modified and stock catagories?

Lonchair,

Your rig would fall into "Mild" in any show that I have participated in that had judged vehicles.

Reason?

Mild chrome treatments, vehicle not "as built" anymore, in fact, not even close.

Some shows would put your truck in the "wild" category.

Binderin',

John

[lonchair]

Originally Posted by John Donnelly

Lonchair,
Your rig would fall into "Mild" in any show that I have participated in that had judged vehicles.

Reason?

Mild chrome treatments, vehicle not "as built" anymore, in fact, not even close.

Some shows would put your truck in the "wild" category.

I would have never thought it would be in the "wild" catagory. I don't have anything wild going on. Just built in essence a Midas replica. I assumed I would fall in a stock Midas class. That assumption was based on seeing all the Cobra kit cars and Shelby Mustang replicas being judged most times in the same catagory as real Shelby Mustangs. In most of the make specific shows I've been to, chrome and replica build did not keep you out of the stock class, but it did keep you out of a Concourse points class.

[Carl Wiese]

Originally Posted by lonchair

I would have never thought it would be in the "wild" catagory. I don't have anything wild going on. Just built in essence a Midas replica. I assumed I would fall in a stock Midas class. That assumption was based on seeing all the Cobra kit cars and Shelby Mustang replicas being judged most times in the same catagory as real Shelby Mustangs. In most of the make specific shows I've been to, chrome and replica build did not keep you out of the stock class, but it did keep you out of a Concourse points class.

Lon,

I can back up what John is saying. What would be wild to some, could be a 4bbl on a 345, in a Scout II. I would definitely say you would be in a "modified" catagory as your truck isn't stock anymore, stock would have been 2wd. Please keep in mind I am not talking down to what you have done, in fact in speaking with you over the phone, I know your very detail oriented and have done the research to make it right. I look forward to seeing it when it's done.

[Mark Ashford]

Most "IH" shows are very loose on the classifications... and to truly judge "fairly" there should be more classes then their typically are... or on the other side of the coin maybe there should be less classes and just run-what-ya-broung

If I were judging a IH show, and setting categories I'd put you in "Modified Stock" or more specifically "Street/DD". IMO a class for the "everyday" rigs. Mostly stock in appearance, no large lifts, smaller than 32" tires, mods done for owner preference and derivability, not for increasing off-road capability or for strict show circuit. They could be original and modified, or rebuilt and customized. But still have a "stock" look about them.

I'd reserve "Stock" for bone-stock originals, or restorations to "stock"... if you made a Midis clone then you would be in here (IMO), but since you have added the Chrome pieces ect I'd put you in Street. If one really wanted to get picky they'd make a "Stock - Original" class and a "Stock - Restored" class... depending on how picky you want the judging to be (and I've seen judge sheets and rules that would allow a rusty and worn nice unrestored Scout win over a mint condition but repainted Scout).

I'd also make a "Show" class for rigs build just to "wow" people. And they could be Scouts, PU whatever, lifted and decked out or stock size and Bling. They need not nessisarly be trailer queens, but they were deffinatly built "big" with no intent for "Daily Driver" ability or "Offroad" ablility.


Actually, since you built a terra/traveler, you'd be put in "Terra/Traveler" Class and there are typically no break-downs in that class to its a Moot point


In a general all-brand car show you would probably be put into a "truck" class.. or probably a "stock" class, but not "original".


In my real opinion, even though many people hate it (don't think it makes it a "real" judged show) I like the pear judging or just the "wow" factor judging. How does it look? Do you like it? Did the owner do tasteful mods or is a gaudy, ugly abortion with a bunch of *bling* crap added? What is the owner/builders goal/intent (i.e. nice over all, usable truck, show truck, wheeling machine, restored to original??) and did the owner/builder achieve or built toward that goal. How is the fabrication and/or finish work?

That's how I judge things, and it helps with all classes whether its you "cup of tea" or not...

[John Donnelly]

Originally Posted by Mark Ashford

In my real opinion, even though many people hate it (don't think it makes it a "real" judged show) I like the pear judging or just the "wow" factor judging. How does it look? Do you like it? Did the owner do tasteful mods or is a gaudy, ugly abortion with a bunch of *bling* crap added? What is the owner/builders goal/intent (i.e. nice over all, usable truck, show truck, wheeling machine, restored to original??) and did the owner/builder achieve or built toward that goal. How is the fabrication and/or finish work?

That's how I judge things, and it helps with all classes whether its you "cup of tea" or not...

I prefer "People's Choice" or in some cases what is called "Peer Judging" also.

Although I like it when the public is allow to vote which is what I think differs the two.

I am not a fan of the "points system".

-John

[lonchair]

Oh well. I'll just keep building it the way I want it and go into what ever car show class I fall into when that time comes.

I couldn't find an original Midas Terra, so built the next best thing. A replica with attention to detail right down to the Midas decal in the door jamb. Oh and the chrome package is pretty much the same that my family's old IH dealer installed on a few Scouts. Since IH didn't offer one, they made their own. So in a way, even that is still stock in appearance since my grandad was the original selling dealer of this truck. My chrome Differential covers and fiberglass radiator fan are both original pieces from Tuff Terrain that were available from any IH part department in the late 70's.

[jeromekirkland]

I was at nationals and saw very few "original" or "original restored". most all the scouts that were being judged were in the mod class. Only the trailered show only scouts were realy in original condition. And in the guidlines for the nationals it states that the line setting ticket will be used in close calls or to settle ?. so your truck would probly have to be in the mod class (for the IH nationals anyway) as the line ticket will not match what you have. and mod class alowes the substitution of IH parts with other IH parts or dealer options so you would not get pushed up to the wild mod class.