Frame questions, would love input.

[Caleb]

First off has anyone built a new frame for there Scout II?
Second would anyone happen to have a good source of pictures of a scout II frame? Third somebody wouldnt happen to have frame blueprints? Has anyone thought of using Channel Lock Steel to make a frame to prevent rusting by not being able to trap moisture in it and be easier to clean and treat?

Contemplating weither i should jsut get two new lengths of steel and build a new frame to eleviate the rotting bits of frame problem, and have a frame that can be treated witha rust prohibitor, and be good for another 30+ years. Or jsut try to fix up the one i got and hope it last another 10+/-.

[nwmud]

Don't now how hard it is to find a frame out there, BUT here in the Northwest. you can find frames. I have chopped up and thrown away frames because they take up space. Search for a frame in a area around you - Say 2 days driving time. And go get one. Building a frame sounds like way too much work. you can use about any scout II frame. I think they are all the same. At least mine have been.

[noclinkers]

Sounds like alot of work making your own frame,

If I were in that situation, might look for another one and take the time I needed to prep it and coat it.Then run all new Brake lines and wires while I had nothing in the way.

That way you could be sure that everything Is done how it should be. It is one thing to build a tube frame for the trial, I would rather have a stock frame for a DD.

Just my opinion (I know the rest of the saying), Bob

[Caleb]

Then i have to contend with is it rotted out on the inside? WHen i coudl just find the major agnles in teh frame and cut and measure and cut the ends of the steel at half the angle of the needed agnel so the two halfs will but upt against eachover with the most weld contact area. Also the only line of the frame i would have to follow in the general ball park is the top side so the body will set on it, thus i could use a much taller hunk of steel to gain some more ground clearance, as the bottom if it didnt follow the lien sof the frame to the dot, then its still usable as the spring mounts can be mounted hwere they need to be mounted. I mena you see the old CJ's slapped onto the 93 inch wheel base broncoII frames and using the jeeps driveline alot do to the fact that the brocnos channel lock frame doesnt rust out very fast, hell my frame on my 18 year old broncoII just has some surface rust, while my 10 year old s-10 witha box frame had already had spots start to rot out from water and slat and snow trapped inside it. That and having access to the inside of the frame so to speak i could build spring hangers that didnt require to eb welded to the frame but bolted, and thus could be replaced if damaged. that and like the body mount son teh frame could be welded up to plates wich could be bolted to the frame, making them replacable. I want to know that when i die that if there is still gasoline on this planet that my great grandchildren will be able to still see one of these beast. I see less and less of these in the yards, and for sale all the time. There literally rotting away and donating their axles in running gear transplants for jeeps and zuk's. I want to have the truck so i wont ahve to worry about replacing a frame, or a tub, or countless body panels on it as long as im alive, in the end it all comes down to that vin plate on the door jam. Everything else can be replaced, bought new or made.

[Supremebeholder]

I want to know that when i die that if there is still gasoline on this planet that my great grandchildren will be able to still see one of these beast.

Then you better not use any rubber on it and you should probably go with a fiberglass tub. You can’t stop everything from rotting out and getting old.

Seriously, making a frame sounds like a lot of work. You could probably drive 3 days one way to get a goods frame and still come out with less hours than making a custom frame.

Second would anyone happen to have a good source of pictures of a scout II frame? Third somebody wouldn’t happen to have frame blueprints?

Can’t you get all the required measurements from your current frame?

[Brendan]

The frame I'm using for my 800 project is punky in spots. I was thinking of going with a whole new frame, but decided it'd be easier to just clad the frame I have. It's all straight, just heavily pitted it some areas, and probably paper thin in others. I have a sheet of 1/8" steel that I'm going to have sheared into 3" and 4" strips. I'll just cut the strips to length and weld 'em on there.

Double frame for low COG!

[nwmud]

Look at my web site I got pictures of the frame on the curent status page. This might help.

Ritch

[ChiScouter]

There was a thread earlier on custom frames. IIRC someone said that one of the aftermarket mfgrs could/or had some interest in making SII frames. It may have been over on the other forum. I have given some thought to making my own as I am in the same boat as you. The way I see it the biggest obstacle would be keeping it from warping. I know I have seen published scale drawings of SII frames, just not sure where.

[grannygear]

Originally posted by Caleb
Then i have to contend with is it rotted out on the inside? WHen i coudl just find the major agnles in teh frame and cut and measure and cut ............ a frame, or a tub, or countless body panels on it as long as im alive, in the end it all comes down to that vin plate on the door jam. Everything else can be replaced, bought new or made.

Huh? Are you going for the full 'redneck at the keyboard effect' or is spell check broken on your computer?

Either way, a freend, I mean freind, er, actually.... friend of mine built a frame out of rectangular box tubing for his CJ6 project and he made it look easy, but then he is pretty good.

I could get pics if ya want.

I guess you could use 'C' channel, but it is not nearly as strong. It is easier to keep clean, though.

[Paul Morgan]

Dude, are you smoking crack. You can't fabricate a frame for a Scout II, unless you have access to some major machinery. Just call any local body shop and tell them what you are planning. It is hard enough to straighten a bent frame, but starting from scratch. You will have more in it then you can justify spending, for what? There are plenty of good frames out there, go to the Parts Wanted area and post your request. You will probably get bombarded with replies. Most Scout II's don't rust through the frame, the body mounts, rockers, sheetmetal, etc. rust out. And to answer the quote about your greatgrandchildren or whatever, they will probably have the ability to create a complete truck in a replicator or whatever. Don't you watch Star Trek. Seriously, search for a rolling frame, they flat give them away. People get tired of having them take up space in the yard waiting to find a decent tub. Good luck brotha