Two months worth of questions

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  1. DUSTY 77 IH Trav

    DUSTY 77 IH Trav Farmall Cub

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    Hello, this is my first post and I'm new to the IH world. I bought a 77 traveler about 2 months ago. It's a 304 with 727. Been sitting a while but I got it running. I still need to do some brake work and hopefully its drivable. Its definately a project. I do want some advice or ideas on somebody work. I've got some background in body work meaning I went two years to a votech school many years ago. I'm no pro but I'm fair. My quarter panels are shot at the bottom and around the wheel wells. I already planned on buying new metal and splicing the 18inch extension in which looks like a major pain. Has anyone had luck removing the quarter panel, sand blasting it, welding metal on the back side and smoothing that with filler? Then reattaching I'll try to attach a few pictures. Below. Truck is solid on the under side, floors and rockers. Small rust spot on the top driver side front fender but basically the quarters are my biggest scare. Let me know what you guys think or any links to people tackling the traveler quarter panel repairs would be nice. I've searched like crazy and only found a couple. 20180627_183445.jpeg 20180627_183555.jpeg 20180701_173339.jpeg

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  2. DUSTY 77 IH Trav

    DUSTY 77 IH Trav Farmall Cub

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    By the way, I'm in the panama city Florida area. Ive seen maybe 1 scout around this town. My plan is to have a nice beach cruiser for the family. No serious trail riding. This will be a second vehicle for me. This top seems shot, the fiberglass feels really soft so I plan to have some roll bars fabbed up. Do some kind of bed liner on the inside. Get the body straight and paint it mint green. Hopefully I'll start making some progress soon. I'm kinda in the planning and budgeting and researching phase. Best part about this project is my wife is considering it hers. So I get to say "damn honey. I guess I'll go work on the scout today"

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    Kenneth Barber Farmall Cub

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    Welcome to BP! As always, check with the Light Line Dealers (list of dealers on the bottom of the BP landing page) for the metal and other parts. It’s always a good idea to call and discuss what your doing with the dealers and they can point you in the right direction. BP only asks one thing from each person...document what you done and post pictures often on BP. Mint green ehh? You got to check out the “It will roll by end of today!” Build posted by jtorre4272...one sweet truck. Also, when you start to post your build...put it under the “General IH Tech/Binder Builds”.


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  4. chucky

    chucky Farmall Cub

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    Im in Walton County! Ive seen a couple of binders running around here, both 80/800's and S2's... Been wrenching on mine a while, redone wiring, finishing an engine rebuild (SBC) and now its a driver side outer rocker. Good luck to ya!
     

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    DeepSoutBulldawg Farmall Cub

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    How difficult would you say installing that Softtopper was? I have one ordered and I’m kinda nervous about what I don’t know.


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    chucky Farmall Cub

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    I didnt install it initially, but i have had it off for summers and an attempt to better secure and align the thing. its seemed pretty straight forward to me. The only thing I had a problem with were the pin mounts on top of the windshield pillars. Theres a large hole in the top of it to begin with and the footprint of the nylon clip was small, and it had been screwed in a couple of places already which just perforated the mounting pad beyond useless, so plan ahead on that one. Mine has these side struts that fit behind the doors. one or the other is always too short depending on how the top is aligned over the body. The best advise is to lay the top out in the sun and install it over the frame on a HOT day. vise grips with a little leather pad super glued at the ends might still be needed to pull it onto the snaps.
     
  7. David Dixon

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    I am working on Traveler 1/4 panel repair right now. Well, right now I guess I'm taking a break. :rolleyes: Mine looked a lot better than yours did before I started sandblasting and stripping. I would say that you would be best off replacing the entire panel. You can get patch pieces that Super Scout Specialist or other light line guys cut up from Scout II 1/4 panels and they work quite nicely. But if you need more than two patches the labor gets crazy.

    As far as removing the panels and patching off the truck, you would have to remove the end cap along with the 1/4, as they are spot welded together. Thats not a big deal. Fair guess your end caps are well ventilated once you strip the paint and filler. If you are scrapping the 1/4 panel, then you can leave the end cap on the truck and cut the panel away, and cut the spot welds out of the strip that is left. The top of the panel and the leading edge along the B pillar are spot welded, as is the lip at the wheel well, and also along the rocker panel extension. So you have a TON of spot welds to remove to pull the 1/4. Get a good spot weld drill. I got one I rather like from amazon. New 1/4 panels are not available for the traveler, so you basically use two 1/4 panels for a short wheelbase scout and glue or weld them together to get the length you need. The light line dealers will sell them to you pre cut with some sort of seam pre formed into them. You will also want to get the arches that connect the 1/4 panel with the wheelwells. IIRC Super Scout Specialist has exploded diagrams that show the various parts and whats available on their website and in their printed catalog, or they used to.

    I put one new 1/4 panel on my short wheelbase scout nearly 20 years ago. The main issue I remember was having the patience to drill out all the spot welds. I had a cutter that got dull and then I continually sharpened drill bits and used a grinder. This time I got a much better cutter. If I was going to do the whole panel I would likely epoxy the vertical seam just because every time I have tried to weld that long a seam in a panel I have warped it badly and wound up using a gallon of body filler to get things looking straight. Someone more skilled would undoubtably get better results welding than I have.

    If you have specific questions fire away.

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    I installed an earlier model a couple of years ago and it was not hard. I remember that it took some patience to follow the instructions carefully because I really didn't quite understand how all the pieces worked until I got it put together.

    You can see the process here, starting at around 3:30
     
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    Ledbeter36 Farmall Cub

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    Welcome I moved from Florida a bit ago the Gainesville area still got a house there. As far as fixing your quarter panels go. I just went through this and i cut out the rusty metal and welded in good metal. TAKE MY ADVICE BUY THE NEW QUARTERS!!! By the time you go through getting the old quarters off they will almost certainly be wrecked and they are in even worse shape than you think and the inner wheel well too. The new ones are much easier to spot weld on than patch the old ones. I didn’t remove mine to patch and it still sucked. By the time you weld them they will distort. Then you will be filling and it’s a pain to fix the inner wheel well without having the quarter off. Buy the new ones and install them. You’ll be ahead of the game. Good luck.

    Be sure and check your front cab mounts I bet they need replacing also. Look at my slower than molasses in winter build to see a different, cheaper and in my opinion better way to replace those. Be prepared for more rust repair than you think. But don’t let it get you down it’s great to do it yourself. Or knowing Florida like I do and you planning to take this to the beach maybe don’t fix it and rock it like it is. These are very prone to rust and have many places to hold moisture and it’s almost certain to rust again after you fix it and then take it to the beach. One of my first scouts was a rusty top less blast that I took to the beach often was still loads of fun!
     
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    Darrel Dreams of Cub Cadets

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    I would buy new quarters and pay a professional to add the extension panels. SSS or IHPA might even be willing to do it.

    Long shot, but also worth calling Coonrods to see if he has an used panel or two stashed.
     
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    DUSTY 77 IH Trav Farmall Cub

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    While talking quarter panels, has anyone ordered the quarter and extension panels? I'm sure someone has but I can not find a clear picture as to how they come. If it were a scout II then it would have the lip already to go into the door jam but with the traveler does the extension panel have this lip and then the quarter would butt to the extension panel? Once I get the quarters off, I'll sandblast the crap out of the inners and coat with some por 15 equivelant like stuff.

    Its expensive but I think the easiest option is ordering fiberglass quarters I have not called and checked but I think I read these are not made anymore for the traveler? My end caps are not terrible, both have a nice dent in them and for the price, new ones are more effiecnt.

    Next option is leaving 18 inches of the quarter panel, patching the bottom and buying a quarter to mate to this.

    You guys are probably right. Removing the quarter panel drilling out the spot welds will probably leave it a mangled mess especially with one good frustrated f it moment. But If I could clean the metal up. Patch the bottom and weld metal from the back side basically close enough to hold some filler and then smooth that out. This would be the cheapest option....in a perfect world it sounds good.

    If anyone has some experience and pictures of how the 18 inch extension panel comes to mate with the scout quarter panel, I'd love to hear. I know there's a tool to basically make a lip so that they can over lap but educate me.

    Next question. My top is just setting on it and like I said, it feels mushy. My plan is to leave it topless and have a roll bar fabbed in. Probably a bikini top on top of that. I'm thinking about fabbing up tube doors instead of the factory ones. If my body mounts are solid, do I need to reinforce anything?

    Thanks for the advice already. I've been staring at this project, searching like crazy and it's nice to have someone who's been through the process to chime in with pointers. I'm fortunate that a buddy of my has a three stall shop with a paint booth. One stall is mine, I just want to get it driveable to get it over there and be able to move it around before tackling the project. I work a 5 day on, 4 off schedule so I plan on dedicating 1 day per set of days off to the scout. I've got it running but when I hooked the shift linkage up, its stuck in drive. It has a secondary ignition so it started up and started moving but I had no brakes. Basically I could stand on the brakes to keep it still and idling. The master cylinder is nasty so I have a new one. I'm going to try and flush all the nasty fluid out, install the new master cylinder and move onto the next problem.

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    Super Scout Specitalist's website http://www.superscoutspecialists.co...r-outer-panel-scout-terra-traveler-118wb.aspx is kinda hard to navigate, but here is a photo of the extension panel. Looks like you need to section a short 1/4 panel with 2 seams? They list "limited quantities available" fiberglass quarters for traveler. http://www.superscoutspecialists.co...glass-scout-traveler-quarter-panel-right.aspx The fiberglass panels are $$ but if your time is worth anything they are probably a bargain in the end.
     
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    DUSTY 77 IH Trav Farmall Cub

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    Well I was under the scout today trying to figure out my shift linkage issue. When I bought it, the shifter was seized up. The seller fixed the shifter however no matter which selection it's in, the tranny is in drive. But anyway I thought the floors were solid....until I saw this. See picture below. Basically rusted through where the back seat mounts. The front body mount shows some weakness also. The other mounts look solid.

    Second picture is some rust on the top front fender where it meets the windshield frame. Seems like an odd place to rust. Cutting some sheet metal and welding in their doesnt look like too bad of a job, I just worry about what's underneath. [​IMG][​IMG]

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    Darrel Dreams of Cub Cadets

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    Jeff has a good build thread.
    http://forums.ihpartsamerica.com/showthread.php?t=10990
     
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    DUSTY 77 IH Trav Farmall Cub

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    That is a good build thread. Thanks.

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