Tractor newbie-what should I buy?

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  1. BigRigg

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    Hi gang,
    I have 6 acres. 5 of it is pasture and I brush hog it a few times per year. I had a Ford 8n fall into my lap, and it serves the brush hogging purpose. There are a few things wrong with it.
    1. Its a ford.
    2. It doesnt have a loader bucket.
    3. It's not geared low enough
    4. It doesnt have a whole lot of power.
    5. Its a Ford.

    I find myself wanting more out of my tractor. I want to sell the 8n, and get an IH. But there are so many models, I dont really know where to start. I am a total newbie to farm tractors. I've worked with skidders, backhoes, graders, but this is new.

    30 + hp, 4x4, loader bucket for moving things like rocks, bales of hay, scouts, trucks, and other farm stuff. It needs to be somewhat dependable, and easily had parts would be great!

    What do you think?
     
  2. DT466

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    It partly depends on how much money you want to spend. I tend to be a fan of older pre-CaseIH models, but few of those are 4x4.

    Dean
     
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    Well...its more about the month to month than the overall price. For example, I can get a new kubota or whatever for %0 financing. But they are 30k. If I could get a comparable yet older red tractor for similar month to month, then I'd be for that. I just read a ton of info on the case/IH mergers. Interesting stuff!
     
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    4x4 would be nice, but I dont think it's a must have. I'd like a loader bucket for hauling wood, gravel driveway maintenance, pulling tubs off of scouts...and something that will do good with a brushog. In reality, something slightly bigger than the 8n, with a loader would fit the bill...if I can get parts for it
     
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    Try looking for a 340, 350, series in the utility configuration. I would avoid the 560(twice the HP you want) due to reputation of rear end issues and I have experienced the transmission locking in gear. Live hydraulics and PTO were standard with the *56 series.
     
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    An IH 384 or 484 would be a big improvement over an 8N.

    Dean
     
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    Personally, if I were looking at a 340 or 350, I would make sure it had power steering. Pretty certain it was optional in those years.

    Dean
     
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    I own a Ford NAA and an IH 444. I would highly recommend a 444 or any of its older siblings - the 404, 424, or 434. Diesel versions of these have IMHO one of the best engines ever made in the 40 hp range - the BD-154. Durable, great running, and quite fuel efficient. I believe this engine also came in the B-275, 384, and some of the utility models like the 2444, 2504, 3444, etc. I have noticed rebuild kits for the 154 for under $1000 with replacement cylinder sleeves, and much less if you don't need to swap out sleeves.

    If you want to do some serious loader work, keep an eye out for an IH 2000 model loader, which should mount fairly easily to the models listed above. It's really waaay more loader than that size tractor can make use of - but IH put'em on there anyway! There are also lighter duty loaders that seem to hold up well too.

    I looked at a few 300's and 350's, and while I like their styling better, they are definitely more old-school in the ergonomics and performance departments. If you are looking at these make sure the steering box is in good shape, and that they've been converted to a 3 point hitch from the 2 point set-up that only International used.

    None of the models I listed have 4X4. My 444 does have a peddle you press with with your right heel, that locks up the differential and I've never come close to being stuck.

    These are my opinions based on the few models I have some experience with. Having owned a NAA that's similar to your 8N and also the vastly superior 444, I really enjoy having live PTO, Power steering, hi-lo range gearing, a much better hydraulic system, and a big IH on the hood.
     
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    If you are going to put a loader on the front, or buy one with a loader, make sure it has power steering! If you buy one without a loader, and intend to put a loader on it, make sure you have a heavier front axle. If you have the funds, it is usually easier and cheaper to buy the tractor and loader that is already together. A 30 hp tractor with front wheel assist will do the loader work of a 50 hp tractor. The FWA makes that big of a difference!
     
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    Well, I finally found what I was looking for! This is a 484 with a touch over 900 hours on it. Everything seems to work as it should, and the d179 purrs like a kitten. I traded my 8n and a little cash for this beast. Once it stops raining, I'll change the fluids, and put it to work. Some of the hydraulic lines need to replaced, but I'm stoked. 20200118_104038.jpg
     
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    Good find! Now, unless you're allergic to doughnuts, you need to find a small crawler, something like a Cat 20 or IH equivalent that someone only wants a good home for, something good for pushing junked Priuses off your property. :ihtractor:
     
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    Nice find, I have used that size before. I would invest into new front farm tires and tubes in front. You will find with vehicle tires you skid in the mud!
     
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    I am definitely NOT allergic to doughnuts! I'd love to find one of those!
     
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    That is good advice. I was wondering about that.
     
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    Nice find!! 900 hours is nothing! Good looking rear rubber and the loader is in good shape too, not all beat up and cracked or welded. Plus a big, full width bucket! Make sure you get the heavy ply tires and you may want to look for some rear wheel weights or a counter-balance. that bucket will hold a lot of material! Happy digging!!
     
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    That old Prius (or two, or three?) compacted a bit by the Cat, wrapped in cable or with a welded pipe cage, can be suspended off the rear for that purpose. It will also make a good conversation piece and scare vandals away...

    BTW, do we have any good, long threads here yet about what's a Proper Hydraulic "Oil" (fluid)? :beer:
     
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    Nice find with low hours! I'm a little jealous.

    Dean
     
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    You're going to love having a loader. Does it have power steering?
     
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    Yes, it does. It works very good, even with a load of dirt. I think my tucks/scouts are in trouble. I am obsessed with this thing. There are so many things I want to do to upgrade/personalize. Not enough time in the day...
     
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    I have it's larger brother a 784. Great tractors!! You may want to go to a wider front rim and tire to give you flotation with the loader.
     

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