Starting a lifter and cam removal and install / Problem right of the bat!

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  1. Whitten

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    I pulled the valve cover to begin the lifter removal and the this is the first thing I see....

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    Yep entire rod is missing.......I found it in the valley and pulled it out. It was broken in half and bent to hell. Lifter was domed out on the flat end as well.

    My next problem is there is a lifter somewhere in the valley. I have gotten seven of the out and I can not find the 8th. It is not in its "home" and I have fished around in that valley for two hours and I can not hear or feel anything and nothing jumps on the magnet. Any advice on that?
     
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    152/196 engine ? Only 1 thing to do now. Tear it down. Have head checked. May have a problem with that valve & also that came lobe.
     
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    I am going to change the cam as well, I think the cam is bad for sure. the lifter was all dented in on on the same place where the push rod was broken. Is there any other way to get to those "lost lifters" I literally can not find them in the valley. I have one lost on one side and 3 lost on the other side. I can't see them and they will not jump on a magnet when swiped around down in the valley. Any suggestions on that? Do I really have to tear down the entire engine?
     
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    The engine is a 345 by the way.
     
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    Is it possible that the lifters dropped down in the pan somehow? I lack much knowledge when it comes to engines and their internal workings.
     
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    Just the intake manifold and lifter cover pan !
     
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    I guess I am wondering at this point if I should pull the intake or the oil pan and see if that helps my search?
     
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    1a. Try going in thru the PCV grommet at the rear of the valley pan. Remove PCV grommet first, use magnet to find lifters.
    1b. Try fishing with your magnet thru the pushrod bores to move lifters aft to PCV area.
    2. If no success, removal of intake manifold and valley pan would be required.

    Removal of oil pan will not aid in removal of lifters as the lifters will stay topside, but cleaning of residue from oil pan is a worthy task.
     
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    With that much bad going on I'd be tearing that engine apart anyhow.
     
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    Ok thanks I will try these things.
     
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    Ok, I am new to this.....where exactly is the PCV grommet? I don't see it?
     
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    In the rear of the valley pan, unless you have an older engine.
    Early engine had the PCV in the right hand valve cover.
    What is the vehicle model and year?
    Photos of your engine would be nice.
     
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    I want to say I think it could be possible. There's a large oil drain back hole in the rear of the valley, a lifter might fit down that hole, but I'm not sure if it would get past the cam or crank shaft. Also there's a large hole in the front near the distributor.
     
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    Nope! Will NOT fall through those foundry casting holes.
     
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    I found the PCV gasket and hole and got them all out but one, I can not find that thing. On my engine it was in the middle. I have fished around for about 4 hours with different magnet sticks etc. I did not want to have to pull the intake and get that far in there, but I guess I might have to....
     
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    Do you honestly have no little oil leaks around the valley pan? Its probably for the best. You can find the missing parts, get it cleaned out and put it back on with a nice fresh gasket. While your at it, have the intake manifold hot tanked and throw a layer of IH red paint on it. :beer:
     
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    Oh yea, remember , the replacement head gaskets are thicker than normal and lead to less compression. If you have to pull just one head, you should probably replace the gasket with whatever is there. If you look around you CAN find the original style head gaskets. Try ebay. (If it has the new style, you will have to determine if it was machined down. If it was, the new style is in order. If not, you have to decide whether you want to find two of the old style and replace the OTHER one to restore factory compression)
     
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    No need to pull heads ! Just intake and valley pan to get the last lifter out.
     
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    You will NOT find any steel shim factory head gaskets on eBay either !!!
     
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    he may need to pull the head if he has a damaged valve. And there IS a steel head gasket on eBay right now unless you mean to say you just bought it. Pricy though. But if I was stuck in a position of pulling the other head when I could avoid it, using mismatched gaskets or paying 80 bucks for a head gasket, I'd pay.
     
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