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  1. jeromekirkland

    jeromekirkland Farmall Cub

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    I'm glad to see this forum, I have been waiting for a chance to get some ?'s answered that most people who modify their scouts don't think are important. as I am short on time right now I will start with just one. the orininal hub caps for a 71-72 scout are listed in the parts manual as diffrent than later models, and the few advertising photos for those years that I have been able to find do not show the caps in enough detail to truly make them out. does anyone have a good photo of what they look like so I can hunt for them?
     
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    try a search in the tech talk and photo post. might try hubcaps & then in the advanced search enter the year or model you're looking for.Your Scout may have not come with wheel covers. Do you have a line set ticket [LST]? If not you need one to do a faithful resto. It tells you what your Scout came with from the factory. You can do a search for them as well. I've seen 70's model Scout hubcaps on ebay. Whether they were the right ones I don't know.
     
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    thanks for replying.
    yes I have a line ticket and it shows that I did not originaly have them but I wanted them for daily driver. I've looked through posts but can not find good photos. The parts catalog showes a dog dish with an IH stamped in the middle for the G chassis (71-72) but what advetisements I can find (namely a canadan brochure for the 71 SII) showes something that looks like the latter model caps but minus the ridges. the caps I bought on ebay end up being ridged but I needed caps.
     
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    Here is a set of 4 of the later hubcaps, 74 and up, and then a single front earlier hubcap, 69 to 73.

    The same hubcaps were also used on all IH products, Travelalls, pickups, Scout, Scout II, with a 15 inch wheel unless otherwise ordered.
     

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  5. jeromekirkland

    jeromekirkland Farmall Cub

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    the 74 and up are the common ones that you get on ebay. the one you say is 68 to73 I have never seen before and does not match either the advertising photos nor the parts catalog. could they have been aftermarket that someone put on shortly after buying the scout?
     
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    No, thats the hubcap used on all IH trucks with 15 inch steel wheels from 69 to 73 unless ordered otherwise like wagon wheels, delete hubcaps, etc. I searched my photo archives and found some examples, but cant find a good clear one of a Scout II wearing them for some reason.
     

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    Mike in Mobile, got two straight 69 - 73 front hub caps you want to sell? I've got two rear ones and need the front ones for my '72 Scout II. I'm in the middle of a body off resoration of my '72 and want to run origanal hubcaps. Also, it's a 2 wh. drive and not sure if that makes a difference in the front hubcaps.

    I'll take a pic of the two rear ones and post them for reference for Jerome.

    Thanks,
    Don Howell
    howell@gsu.edu
     
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    Sorry Don,

    I dont have any. I only have an incorrect set of the 74 and ups for my 72 SII. The 69/73 cap pic I posted was a web grab.

    The front caps on a 2wd Scout are the same as the rear, closed center.

    The pic of yours would be great as a reference, thanks.
     
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    I have a '73 SII with the original hubcaps/wheelcovers. They are the newer style and match the drawing of the '73 models on the lower half of page 2 in my MT-130 parts catalog. The drawing of the '71-2 models on the same page show the earlier hubcaps/wheelcovers.
     
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    Mike, I'll grab a pic of my '72 hubcaps this weekend and post next week. Thanks for the clarification on the closed center for the front. I'll be on the lookout for 2 more. If you see any very good ones, point them in my direction.

    I included two pics that show a little progress.

    Thanks, Don
     

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    Don this question on 71-72 hub caps is one of the more difficult ones for 2wd. I am restoring my 2wd as well and have gotten many diffrent answers. If you look in the parts manual you find no front hub caps for 71-72 (G chassis) with 2wd, insted they show a conical grease cap (chrom?) yet my 72 has a flat plate bolted to the hub where the lock hub would go if it was 4wd. this does allow the IH dog dish hub caps to fit but just barly, with the conical grease cap that the parts manual shows the dog dish caps do not fit. I have several advertising photos of 71-72 scouts but they all show 4wd with hub caps that look more like the 73 and up caps but without the ridges on the edge. I am begining to feel the only way to get a positive answer would be to find a photo of a dealership taken in 71 or 72.
    I have been working on the original restor on my 72 for a couple years now and would be very intrested in exchanging notes with you on some of the fine points to make it look like it did on the dealers lot.
     
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    Don, I just looked at your photos. Is that terra top on a 100" wheel base or the 118"?
     
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    Marc,
    I was told they were stock for 73 and have seen the older hubcaps on the 73's, but my info could be wrong. I try not to say that IH never did this, or that. That is a sure way to get corrected. Thanks for the info.

    Great pics Don. Thanks for posting them. Ill let you know if I run across any caps.
     
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    Jerome,
    Ive never seen a SII drum 2wd front axle, Ive only ever seen a SII 2wd front axle with disc brakes, so I cant say what kind of bearing cap was used on the SII 2wd drum setup.

    I have a Scout 80/800 2wd front axle and it uses an I beam axle with regular solid spindles with a small grease cap that taps on to cover the castle nut and cotter pin.

    I have a SII 2wd disc front axle and from the knuckles out it uses all the parts from the SII 4wd axle. The 4wd spindles, hubs, rotors, calipers, everything but an axle shaft and locking hubs. In fact you could pull off the flat metal cap that you mentioned and bolt on a set of locking hubs, for all the good they would do.

    I can take pics of these if they would help.

    I found some more pics, and I do believe that I see a difference in the Scout II hubcaps and the Travelall/pickup hubcaps. Anybody else see it?
     

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    acording to the parts manual and service book 72 2wd scouts came with drum breaks, but many people have converted to disc. the front hubs on mine are the same as used on 4wd but in place of the locking gear a flat plate is put on to protect bearings.
    I have the first 2 articals and brouchures that you posted pics of and that is what is confusing me. the pics do not look like dogdish caps but that is what the parts manual say is soposed to be on it.
     
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    Jerome, I still have the 2wd front axle with drum brakes and they have the flat plate (dust cover?) that protect the bearings. I traded a '73 Plymouth Duster for the '72 straight up in 1977. When I got the '72, it only had the two rear hubcaps. I will look in my '72 owners manual tonight and see what it says about hubcaps.

    I did, like most others, converted to disc brakes (I found, what I think was an 'original' 100" Terra topped Scout in a JY). I removed the entire axle with springs, master cyl, vacuum booster and proportioning valve and then removed the Terra top, bulkhead and "C" channel, and windows and put it all on the '72 - all for $175. I got out of there before the owner got back - must have deal with the hired help.

    The JY Scout I got the parts from was a ~'76 100" Scout II with a 196 and 4sp. When I took the bulkhead out, the inner bed panels had the threaded nylon buttons that bolted the sides of the bulkhead to the bed. They looked original or someone did a perfect factory looking conversion. But that Scout was totally original so I think it was factory. If so, it had to be a very rare 100" Terra. Anyway, even with the Chevy engine and Terra Top, I want to keep the rest original. For the full story, see http://www.gsu.edu/~dcedsh


    Will keep everyone updated.
    Thanks, Don Howell
     
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    I wish I could be more help Jerome. I suggest that you contact http://www.superscoutspecialists.com
    email to
    suprscout AT aol.com
    (Replace the AT with @)
    or call 937-525-0000 and ask to speak to a Glancy. They should be able to tell you for sure what was available for the 2wd Scout IIs.

    Let us know what you find out.
     
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    I've seen in literature and on the road, a 72 SII 2WD with the full wheel covers. The one on the road was a truly clean survivor. I inquired about the possibility of a sale soon. Unfortunately the proverbial little old lady had promised it to her neighbor, who really wanted a Bronco! Doesn't that suck! The 69-70 design has the eight ridges and a brighter finish. This is actually a "recycled" '64-66 Studebaker Daytona, or '64 GT Hawk wheelcover. The '71-72 is similar but without the ridges, and a less shiny, machined finish. I've never seen a SII with the IH stamped moons. Back in the '70s my sister had a plain jane '75 2WD with moons but they had no logo in the center.

    Just my crappy $.02 worth.

    Justin
     
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    I've got a FOUR WHEELER magazine from 1973 with the headline "What's new at International for '73" it has pics that clearly show the hub caps on a Travelall, 1210, 1010, Terra, and a Scout II. On the scout II the hubcaps are the common ones 72 to 80. The T-All however is wearing round ones like old cop cars, same as the Terra. None of which look like the guy that posted those pics in the beginning of this thread. I'll find a scanner and post the pics when I can. I've got boxes of these mags, the only ones I kept where ones with IH's in them. So if anyone wants pics from the way back of IH stuff I got it, you just have to give me time to find a relative or friend with a scanner.
     
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    Hey Way. have anything from 1964 P/U's?
     

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