Nice read on history of the scout

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  1. BigRigg

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    good find !

    Thanks for sharing.
     
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    Biggest mistake was that " HEEP " at the end !
     
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    Darrel Dreams of Cub Cadets

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    Yes, thanks for sharing. I've often wondered out of the 532,674 total Scouts (1961-80) produced how many are still out there. Crazy that Ford makes 800,000 F150s every year.
     
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    I’ve cited that same comparison of production numbers when someone has inquired about my interest in these trucks. Mind boggling difference!
     
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    Look out prices are going to go sky high!
     
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    Yep. I've seen some 250k scouts being advertised. Incredible.
     
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    scout2000 Dreams of Cub Cadets

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    they already have.

    I'm in a discussion in another thread talking in review about the finer points of a Cummins 2.8L repowered Scout 800. Manufacturer is asking low 6 figures.
     
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    Mace Farmall Cub

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    I'm disappointed that they didn't mention that Land Cruisers came out before the scout (Not just the Jeep :) ) Even Land Rover started in 1948. :)

    I hope scouts stay inexpensive. Finding a good classic 4x4 is getting harder and harder now a days..
     
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    Not that I want to deny anyone of an economical, classic 4x4, but I have mixed feelings.

    things are great right now, craigslist aside, still plenty of opportunities to both pick up cheap Binders, but there are still (free) field and barn saves, etc. I certainly enjoy that, but, as long as Scouts stay at the same status quo, expect the rest of things, i.e. support, OEM replacement parts, aftermarket and upgrade parts to stay the same, or grow very slowly.

    OTOH, if and when Scout's do hit the big time, and prices, across the board for them go astronomical, I would expect to see a flood of new parts, both OEM and aftermarket performance parts. I would also expect to see that old rust buckets, destined for nothing more than to be parted out, and have their S/N plate and title sold off, are now viable restoration candidates.

    Earlier in this thread, Darrel quoted that there were a total of 532,674 Scouts and S2's produced. from that number, (rhetorical question) how many still survive either as drivers or sitting up on cinder blocks in someone's yard? Half? 25%?

    Unlike driving a Jeep, where you are constantly seeing yourself coming and going in traffic, unless I'm headed to a club meeting, more often than not, I'm the only Binder on the road. All the "thumbs up" I receive are sure great morale boosters, but, long term, its not my desire to be a-force-of-one.
     
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    Problem I have run into with car shows, is they tend to be for 75 or earlier. Mine are a year or two to new.
     
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    Interesting read. I think like most everything trends come and go. Right now classic 4x4s are in and that is bringing Scouts more recognition. I am new to Scouts and while my first love was 1st gen Broncos (anyone remember the green tricked out one from Bridgestone's Dessert Dueler tire ads in the late 80s?) there are two in my tiny neighborhood alone. I see them everywhere and wanted something different.

    Production numbers for 1st gen broncos were much less (granted shorter time period) than the Scout but one thing Bronco owners have going for them is the Ford name. My guess is that all those dies were squandered off somewhere and it was easy to bring them out for new body panels etc once it became clear places like NPD could make money. Anyone know what IH did with theirs? Probably in someone's barn. Also, the continued production line of the bronco and other vehicles allow easy P/N swaps.

    I like the fact that you dont see these very often--good topic of conversation with people.
     
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    Good comments.

    Regarding the Bronco bodies. Yes, dead on, absolutely. Just a couple of years ago, if I remember correctly, someone here shared a URL, along with some awesome pictures, of some company producing brand new aluminum 1st gen Bronco bodies. One of those are on my list of things to buy, along with my Lamborghini, once I (finally) win the big money lottery. :)

    Darn good question. Jim Allen's/BinderBookie's Scout Encyclopedia, referencing page 83, that Ted Ornas wanted to keep the 800 line going as a low cost option, after the 810/S2 model was released. Unfortunately, the answer to that question was no.

    Again, still referencing page 83, quote "tooling for the 800B was shipped to the Brown Corporation of Ionia, Michigan, to begin the process of building continued service parts for older Scouts".

    Who knows what the status of that tooling is today, almost 50 years later? Probably don't want to know, but, if anyone here is close to there and could check it out, I know I would love to hear "the rest of the story".

    Also, relevant to your comment, for a period of time, Kentron? produced S2 panels in fiberglass. That effort is long dead. I know that there was one or more threads here that discussed acquiring those fiberglass forms. It seems that those all died. Not sure on correct spelling of Kentron company name. Someone here will help me out and correct it though.

    Also, a couple of years ago, someone approached a manufacturing company, with successful initial discussions with favorable pricing, of producing an aluminum bodied 800. Not certain why, seems to me that there were gears turning in the background, but that effort died of the vine also.

    I could not agree more. The Binder community, for the biggest part, is a great community with some pretty well educated and knowledgeable people who are happy to assist, for nothing more than a please and thank you. We are a small community also, which I'm sure plays into the grand scheme of things. I can't say thanks enough for all the support and assistance that was extended my way when I was, and still am, coming up to speed.

    OTOH, God help the poor smuck who ends up on the wrong side of things. Word travels fast in a small community, and it might take nothing short of a small miracle and a lot of good will, to recover from someone who does the community wrong, as a whole.
     
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    I heard the guy that owns Super Scout Specialist owns the dies.
     
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    I enjoyed that article. When I got to the WW2 section I just about spit my coffee out yesterday. I thought, "Screw the Garands. I want an IH-built M-10 Tank Destroyer!"

    But alas. It appears that the publisher just threw in some stock pick of war-time production. I guess IH only built trucks. The TDs were made by GM and Ford. :-(
     
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    I am not sure that the author knows all that much about some of the older vehicles. He referred to the Land Rovers as "Defenders" in the first paragraph, when that name didn't appear until the early 90s after the first Gulf War and LR decided t capitalize by re-introducing them (Series 4 I think?) to the USA.
     
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    That is what I was thinking, if anyone had them John Glancy would. From their web site "Our Sheetmetal Products are made in the USA by Experienced American former Springfield International Truck Plant Employees. " If they have the original dies that makes those parts about as authentic as they can get. I would bet that most of the replacement parts for chevy, ford or dodge are all Chinese.
    You can still get fiberglass from Canada http://scoutpluss.com/fiberglass-reproduction-parts/ .
     
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    I always think of the 1965 Mustang, of which Ford built 559,451 units. More than the 532,674 Scouts that IH built in 20 years.
    I think that everyone that wants a '65 Mustang already has one.
    I had one for a while, and there was nothing special about it.
    A Scout though is still a useful, versatile vehicle.
     
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    Scout 80/800 dies? S2 dies? all of them?
     

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