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Discussion in 'General IH Tech' started by winchested, Jul 11, 2018.
The scout was actually hailed in this show as the original SUV.
Was pretty cool to watch.
It was a good brief discussion on how IH started the segment. The bronco love fest afterwards was a bit annoying.
Don't get the history channel so I can't make any observations on what was said, other than what's been related above but I've heard that before and discount it.
IH didn't start the SUV segment. I say that as an historical fact. To start, the definitions are too vague to say anyone really started it ... or even what actually makes an "SUV." I can name "SUV"s going back to 1824 (that's EIGHTEEN TWENTY-FOUR), 1899, 1903 and 1908 (plus others) , if you want to define an "SUV" as a four wheel drive built primarily for passenger transport. None are IH. You can cherry pick facts and factors to count or discount many "SUV-like" rigs from many eras as "the first SUV" but until there is some universally accepted standards applied, it's up to any fanboy to decide for himself "who's on first."
For myself, I think the best definition of "Sport Utility Vehicle" is a four-wheel drive designed for comfortable (in the context of the era) passenger transport. Many agree with that, some don't, and it usually revolves around the brand name a given person is trying to promote. Bear in mind that I try really hard to keep my personal bias under control when evaluating these things. So much so that if someone lined up all the SUVs I like and said "pick one, it's yours," I would be the proverbial indecisive guy in the two-holer outhouse ( : < O)
IH gets some firsts in the SUV game, such as the first three door SUV (my definition) and the first four-door. Those are historical facts also.
Below is the aforementioned 1824 SUV and the 1908 SUV for your enjoyment and education.
1824 Burstall & Hill four-wheel drive steam coach, the very first four-wheel drive vehicle in history. Note it's also a passenger vehicle . This vehicle is one of the steps in the evolution to the railroad steam locomotives and in fact became one when the British government banned these "wild and crazy" steam coaches fro driving hither and thither over the English countryside, panicking horses and making women swoon. Or blowing up on narrow English streets ( : < ()
1908 Badger Four Wheel Drive Auto Company "Battleship." Later just FWD. Car still exists and I have driven it. It's a four-wheel drive, five passenger touring car that's well appointed... in fact luxurious for the day. The production models built after were similarly appointed. It was called "Battleship" because nothing could stop it. For a couple of years around 1910, FWD offered a $1,000 reward ( a lot of money in those days) to the driver of any car that could follow the Battleship wherever it went. History does not record if anyone ever collected the money and FWD claims nobody ever did. The first iteration of this car had steam power but in 1909, that was swapped out for a 423 ci Continental four-cylinder.
They did get one right. The Travelette first 4 door pickup.
It starts on IH around 40-50 minute mark
Yes they mentioned that. Also said IH fixed the issues that the el camino attempted (truck capabilities for non truck applications). They also said that the SV engine is terrible and everyone swaps to a ford or Chevy engine .
Very ahead of the big three with this one that's for sure.
I look forward to watching the show. I hope I can watch it through the Amazon Fire History Channel app (I am a cable TV cord cutter with internet and an OTA antenna).
I thought the special was good. Certainly some unfair SV engine bashing by Stacey David. What he should have said was that IH put a real truck based engine in the Scout not a car engine like the other fellas.
Like Jim said it's very debatable and it's possible I'm slightly biased , however I still like the Scout as the first SUV. Ancient antiques don't make the cut for me as they are far from sporty. The wagoneer predates the Scout, but it's still basically a 4x4 station wagon. Wait, I always thought sport meant sporty, but maybe it's supposed to mean sport usage? Like fishing, hunting.
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