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  1. BinderBookie

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    Given your operational parameters, IMO, the practical solution is Option 1, except the disc brakes. I don't see that as big money well spent for the following reasons-
    1- You won't see much gain in stopping power/distance with discs (as per some testing I participated in). There are improvement in fade resistance with discs, which can be narrowed with a better selection of shoes for the drums, but the properly sized discs win every time. But... a Scout is not a formula car and the front is doing 60% (or more ) of the work so for most people, fade isn't an issue.
    2- Parking brake situation is complicated.
    3- You gain a little in water resistance (eg brakes working when wet) with discs, but if water isn't a big part of your wheeling landscape, and/or you know how to deal with wet drums, I don't see the advantage being a big one. Lots of liquified mud can be a problem, but that's a problem for discs too, albeit less of one. Did some swamp wheeling in Florida... OMG... and on top of it all, frigging leeches- LEECHES!
    4- Bottom line, while you can objectively say discs are "better," the dollar/benefit ratio is not good for most of us, IMO. If you had bigger tires, maybe, but 35s are well within the stock brakes safety factor, especially if you put on top-grade shoes.
     
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  2. winchested

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    Thanks Jim you've narrowed down my thoughts.

    And thanks Darrel, these do look like a great option too but will cost me triple what beefing up my 44 will.

    I got my $70,000,000 lotto ticket and I'm hoping lol!

    I've got an email out to TMR customs to see if their rear JK dana 44 truss will work with the vintage 44s. And an email out to Tabor to get a set of his axle retainers.

    Then I'll sneak an order for shafts in with Summit.
     
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    So I ugh ordered the axle shafts through summit racing. $505 Cdn shipped. Used the OFFroad promo to save $20 US.

    TMR says their axle truss will work and its half the cost of the Artec.

    I'll order that next week.

    Still waiting on Tabor to get back to me.

    Have to wait to see what bearings and seals come with the axles, might have to order timken set 10s and national 9912s for another $130 through rockauto. Com.
     
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    Darrel Dreams of Cub Cadets

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    That was fast. Well, if any thing we'll we get to learn how hard you wheel. Unless you can find a kit with a parking brake that's not from Cadillac I would stick with the drums.
     
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    I read mention of using susuki rotors with Nissan calipers with parking brake. I'll look more into that. Seems the biggest complaint with those eldorado calipers is them being reman. Lots of places are offering them brand new now.


    Nix the zuk and maxima calipers. They are only a thin solid rotor. Not big enough for a scout II.
     
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    Swamp wheeling is what we do. I loath drum brakes. It is possible to turn drum brakes into dust in just one off road trip here in FL. That is why we all use 4 wheel disc brakes. 72 scouts - 4 wheel disc. 79 scout same. 65 scout with dana 27 and rear 44 4 wheel discs. Plus disc brakes are so much more easy to service than drums.
     
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    I had a few experiences near Ocala Florida Mud Wheeling in the '90s. My hat is off to you guys... or maybe I should call the guys in white coats on you! ( : < ) That was a new dimension in mudding, that's for sure. And then there were the leeches. Holy fecal matter, Batman!
     
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    I don't plan on getting into mud higher than the axles... I hope.
     
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    Ordered the TMR truss. They said order now just to make sure I actually get it due to the corona.
     
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    Got hold of John Tabor. Looks like he is a non believer in money sent via the internet. Alright anyhow got to send him western union. Looks like $200 for plates and shims.


    So total to beef up the dana 44 minus a real locker or selectable locker is right around $900-1000, new shafts, new plates, and truss.
     
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    How about the $15 plates from IHPA?
     
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    They don't keep your axles in if your bearing was to fail. His plates do and keep you able to drive out of the trail. $200 well spent and he offers the bearing endplay shims to get better MPG out of 9912 seals and timken set 10s.
     
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    I know, but damn $200.
    Wait he claims you can drive out? Hmmm. That highly depends....
     
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    If you are going to wheel it that hard carry a spare axle with bearing already pressed on and ready to go.
     
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    Darrel Dreams of Cub Cadets

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    No need. 14 bolt here. :laugh:
     
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    I will be doing that for sure.
     
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    It's 200 because I'm Canadian lol. $140 for you guys.
     
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    Darrel Dreams of Cub Cadets

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    Yeah, I'm a cheap bastard. I wonder why Jeff doesn't make the hole smaller in his plate.
     
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    That I am not sure, maybe not enough failures to make it worth it?

    I just like the added safety factor. John says his will retain a broken shaft and or blown out bearing doing 60-80 km/hr.
     
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    I've seen an axle stripped clean, but that's super rare. Racers used to tack weld the collar to the axle. Can't be great for the heat treating.
     

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