First Corn Binder-Farm Find 1968 1200c

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  1. Bearpah1968

    Bearpah1968 Farmall Cub

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    4D310C62-7599-49A7-889D-64D888E404A8.jpeg AE2F0C3B-DD26-4999-BE1B-50FEF6B9BE13.jpeg CFB0CDA6-E499-4989-80D7-CCFD00619DB0.jpeg C5E968D3-88B0-4EFA-87FA-404C6A85B54C.jpeg 405513F7-EA9B-4078-B71C-E1344A0149EF.jpeg 63E26285-19FA-45D3-A94E-E33B414456E0.jpeg 16E72BE4-7B2A-4E3C-B1B9-BC6CCF8F5A14.jpeg 3896D1D7-8A99-44DA-A174-4A106792D1CC.jpeg 5FAC9260-6074-4982-B305-61C25D6D93C3.jpeg 91D6FAF3-0F9E-4B4C-9E2B-9809E3DCC819.jpeg 1D406838-2D4B-4317-823A-D74FD46B5F7D.jpeg 061DD571-211B-4A69-B7D4-F7D8630BF53E.jpeg Hey there. Really happy to have found this forum. My apologies for grammatical errors, I’m using an old iPhone and it’s not as easy to use as a computer would be.

    The story behind my new ol girl:
    I live in Montana and work on a ranch and just found my first International, she’s a ‘68 1200c 4x4! I have lived here for a year and a half and have been eyeing this 68 parked in a hayfield for about six months. Only assuming it wasn’t for sale, as no one sells anything out here. Then last week I pointed it out to a buddy when we drove by heading to fish the creek for some trout. The following day I randomly looked on Craigslist and sure enough the ol girl was starring at me as the top post for a search for “4x4”.

    When I saw the list price as 400 hundred and knew if I gave Sam a call it was going to be mine. The add was taken down the next day after I met up with him and assessed the it’s condition. He took 200 and said it ran when parked.

    I was told by Sam’s dad he knew it needs a clutch. It’s rust free, was full of coolant, has oil on the dipstick, took the valve cover off and smeared a bit of rust, the metal shined once wiped with a finger. The doors close but will need weather stripping. It’s missing the glove box and glovebox door. The bed is damaged, looks like someone backed into the corner because the grass was tall. The bed is off because the truck was used as a spray truck and had a tank mounted to it. I imagine it’s done some Work in its day. I am interested in making a wood decked flatbed with a buddy of mine. He’s got a good eye for aesthetic. I will want to part out the bed... tailgate...trim etc.

    I bought it because it’s 4 wheel drive the badge on the side says (All Wheel Drive)- not sure why

    I’m looking to slowly go through it, not a complete restore, unless I get bit by the Binder bug by reading and learning more about things on here.

    I have never restored anything and mostly just want to use her. I like old stuff that’s aged and nothing looks PO butchered, so I am happy with how she looks.

    Questions I have are:
    Where could I get a seat/what seats would fit; or should I just get foam and reupholster it myself?

    The radiator cap was off so I pulled it and took it to the same shop that tagged it 20 years ago. Told them to clean and test it. Was told it was probably recored previously.
    (the question)
    Is it advisable to just replace things as I can and clean it all first rather than try to get it to start? What’s the rule? I am not afraid to put the money into it to make it reliable.

    Should I be really interested in finding original parts or should I just make it work? (Like make a glovebox with a well done wooden door to match the flatbed deck stain)

    If I wanted to replace axles with something newer what could be used?
    Or can I rebuild them?

    What replacement engines fit that are good and easy to work on? I don’t know what engine is in this truck yet. looking for a winter rig not a bunch of power.

    How do I assess the condition of the tranny and transfer-case, the Warn Hubs? Or point me to a thread if you would.

    What is a truck like this that is Rust free worth?

    Is 200 bucks as good of a deal as I think? Or did I just assume it was?

    What do any of you think about her?

    Thanks for stumbling through this first post of mine. Any information is appreciated. I am excited to read more and learn from everyone.

    -Garrett
     
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  2. stroker3

    stroker3 Dreams of Cub Cadets

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    jeff campbell Lives in an IH Dealership

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    I have a decent glove box door. Will post up a pic later on. Its a standard 304a- engine.
    Good find. Good luck. $$$
     
  4. Bearpah1968

    Bearpah1968 Farmall Cub

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    Thank you!
    nks
     
  5. Bearpah1968

    Bearpah1968 Farmall Cub

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    jeff campbell Lives in an IH Dealership

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    Here it is. 20190709_130601.jpg 20190709_130550.jpg 20190709_130542.jpg
     
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  7. mongocanfly

    mongocanfly Binder Driver

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    welcome....
    sound like a rerun ,but all wheel drive just means 4 wheel drive in IH talk...
    i wouldnt trust that rim out on the road thats been welded on ..and you have the big 6 lug pattern...no new wheels are available for these bolt patterns..
    for axle swaps, chevy axles work ok enough..
    seat can be recovered easily enough..
    best way to tell consition of parts is run it and see what happens..
    definatly change all fluids and inspect condition of fluid for metal particles
    check over wiring really well...rats can play the devil with wiring
    200 is a real good deal on that truck..
     
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  8. Bearpah1968

    Bearpah1968 Farmall Cub

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    So the lug pattern isn’t the right one to substitute with ford rims? Will I be able to find a company that makes rims with old lug patterns? Where could I get a complete wiring harness for this truck(if possible)?

    Thanks for the information!


     
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    mongocanfly Binder Driver

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    I'm using American autowire 15 circuit harness on mine...
    ive seen the ford rims used, but the offset is horrible...nearly the whole tire sticks outside the fender..
    I know some people have had some rims custom made...but that's big $$$$
    the rims on my truck are 1 piece ,but are 17.5s....very extremely limited tire selection..and only street tires
    at least yours are 16s...so you can find tires for your rims
     
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    Greg R Dreams of Cub Cadets

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    You've got quite a find, and a project. I can see you're already wandering, and already parts swaps and conversions are in the thinking. Stop and learn what's there, make a priority list. 1st should be to get it running, then make it roadworthy. That's the early on fun of it Those wheels can stay for the short term; I'd be getting on the brakes behind them. One big help in the right direction would be to get the Service Manual from IHPA. Assembly, some basic tutorial, and wiring schematics are all in one and will save a lot of mistakes in resurrecting this truck. I'd take everything on and off the truck that came with it. You'd be surprised what sells, and some folks are good at fixing "fender denders" when it's original metal. Just cleaning it up reveals a lot of secrets. One thing I'm impressed with; there seems to be little or no cowl rot, which is very common in some of these round bodies. There are 6 lug wheels out there. Stockton Wheel is well known for making 6 hole patterned wheels for IH and may be less involved or expense of a swap.
     
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    Bearpah1968 Farmall Cub

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    Wow Greg thanks! I know it’ll run, just need a clutch. Talked to the original owner, not the son tonight. He’s sure it all works, 4 wheel drive, tranny, just a shot clutch. I brought an air compressor down to air up tires, three we still holding (I had just assumed they were all flat ) so I left after I took more pictures to help identify things. The PO feels like it’s got the smaller engine-the 304. He is looking for the title. I’ll post some more pictures. The truck has no rust what so ever. That’s why I am so excited. The bed isn’t rusted, tailgate is cherry because it was hardly on it and never once it was a spray pickup.
     
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    Bearpah1968 Farmall Cub

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    I noticed “60” on the rear pumpkin. I couldn’t locate the engine number. The last picture is the tag off the rear diff. 8D1A2445-638A-489A-8431-4F3E0E934722.jpeg A7D2ED3B-F2D9-4073-9D11-5416FEB76DFE.jpeg F9854B76-6EA4-43E8-BA86-835D8043AA35.jpeg BD8BC47F-04B6-47FB-91F1-1AFF40B7C738.jpeg A63EB443-7D4E-4B73-ACB1-BB954BF18618.jpeg
     

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    mebragdon48 Farmall Cub

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    I had custom wheels made at diamond racing wheels was expensive but with the 9.00-16 bias ply tires from Coker they make the truck mine was worth the money imo[​IMG]

    Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk
     
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    Bearpah1968 Farmall Cub

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    Looks great!! Thanks for the info
     
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    Bearpah1968 Farmall Cub

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    How much would I be looking at for something like those?
     
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    mongocanfly Binder Driver

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    "Should" be 4.10 gearing going by the tag
     
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    Bearpah:
    You are a fortunate man. That is a tremendous find.
    If that truck turns out to be as clean as it appears, your starting point is light years ahead of most. And for $200.00! With a title!
    I'd put the bed back on. That can be repaired pretty easily. [But that's just me.]
    Please keep us posted. Looks great for starters.
     
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    Bearpah1968 Farmall Cub

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    Thanks man. I am pretty happy with the trucks condition. Thank god for Montana’s arid climate. Also I decided to put the bed on. After looking at the rest of the bed a lot closer, I think you’re right about the ease of repair. I’m bringing her home soon. For now I’m finding more information and watching lots of YouTube videos. Looking for parts and getting more and more excited. I’ll definitely be posting more photos and updates.
     
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    Greg R Dreams of Cub Cadets

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    I'd be very careful of YouTube "instruction". Some is spot on, but very few in the skills of metal work or repair. Though I worked in metal in most of my day jobs, body work is something a bit different. It took a retired body man to show me hands on you can make it grueling or rewarding. I would cruise the internet, or used book stores for old school text books on body work. The standard was Robert Sargent's "Automotive Sheet Metal Repair" from Chilton Press that explains reading metal, energy flow, tools and where and how to use them. You can pick up good used tools such as Fairmount at swapmeets. I picked up a smooth chip free set of dollies all cleaned and ready to go at an antique shop for less than they sold for new back in the day, usually it's the other way around. That bed will need a jack whether to pull or push, but hey Montana and ranch engineering with either a hi-lift or come-a-long just ease into it and remember all truck/car bodies have memory from the factory. The more it's done right, the less work and Bondo.
     
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    I noticed the 8 lug wheel on the front passenger and the 6 lug on the drivers side. Somebody has done some parts swapping. The good part is you know you can update the front axle to the easier to find 8 lug stuff.
     

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