Bad day- Engine Rebuild Time? This sucks.

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  1. Scoutcamper

    Scoutcamper Farmall Cub

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    I've been waiting for a while to finally start my "Project Mystery Banana" Scout II.

    I did the pre-oil procedure and verified compression in all cylinders, then burned out the starter before I could get it really running.

    I finally got my new starter in today, and tried again. After cranking well for about 30 seconds or so, and starting to build oil pressure, it started to have a "clunk" with seemingly every engine revolution or so and the oil pressure dropped to 0, and then the starter stopped working, with just the solenoid "click" but no turn-over. Battery was fresh and fully charged, so I thought maybe the new starter was a little misaligned, and went to turn the engine over by hand at the crank bolt.

    The engine turns freely, but there is a metallic scraping / grating sound happening in the same spot with every crank revolution. What's more, I can put my hand on the oil pan and FEEL something scraping internally. Yikes!

    The only 2 possibilities I can think of are:

    -Threw a rod / dropped a rod cap and chunks are getting dragged
    -Oil pump pickup got loose and is getting dragged (I'm hoping for this one)

    I'm sure I'll have to drop the oil pan, so now the project gets to sit in the driveway until I can get another car cleared out of the garage. My neighbor would throw a hissy fit if I start pulling a motor or major parts in the driveway. He was giving me the stink-eye already when I was out changing the starter this morning.

    Is there anything else you guys can think of that could be causing something like this?

    Thanks for letting me vent, anyway.

    -Josh
     
  2. jeff campbell

    jeff campbell Lives in an IH Dealership

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    Drop the pan time. Only thing to do. Have a look see.
     
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    kevingweq Y-Block King

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    I wonder if your flywheel/flexplate came apart , Just a thought
    Seems odd starter would not turn it ,,, but you could turn by hand
     
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    jeff campbell Lives in an IH Dealership

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    Tell your neighbor it's your driveway. Get on it get r done !
     
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    scout2000 Dreams of Cub Cadets

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    Till your neighbor starts making mortgage payments for you, you can give him the stink-eye right back.

    May God help you, and have mercy on your soul, if you've made the mistake of purchasing a house in a homeowners association area.
     
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    Bryan Johnson Farmall Cub

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    what you need is a good fence
     
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    Scoutcamper Farmall Cub

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    I am actually starting to think that my brand-new chinese rebuilt starter might have fried the solenoid or locked up, but that does not solve the "something bad in the oil pan" mystery.

    Good thought on the flywheel, though. I will check.

    -Josh
     
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    I believe you'll find out once pan is down
     
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    Scoutcamper Farmall Cub

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    No HOA, just an old cranky retired dude with nothing better to do than call in to all the city "report your neighbor, comrade" phone numbers and watch the fun.

    He's been pretty quiet lately, I'm trying not to get him on the warpath again. It's a losing battle to get into it with him, he's literally got nothing better to do than sit around all day working up how to screw with people.

    Here's a link to when he tried to push my '76 Buick Electra with his F-150 because he didn't like where it was parked.

    http://justneedsalittlework.tumblr....o-my-wife-came-in-this-morning-and-told-me-id

    Check out the rest of my Tumblr for whole bunch of car pictures if you've got some time to kill.

    I was VERY sure to avoid HOA areas when I was looking at houses, I've got a serious cheap /project vehicle addiction. Just bad luck with the neighbor.

    -Josh
     
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    Grumpy old man syndrome. I would totally hit him with a Seafoam smoke bomb.
     
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    scout2000 Dreams of Cub Cadets

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    WTF is a "Seafoam smoke bomb"? I need to know !
     
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    jeff campbell Lives in an IH Dealership

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    Just be nice,cool + collective.that will really piss him off the worst ! Don't get mad or rant. Best medicine !
     
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    Second on that... What is it?
     
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    Josh,

    I truly feel for you, and know your pain. I live next door to a guy, his wife, and a few vehicle owning teenage+early 20's kids. Between the front parking + their rear parking, they could probably self contain their vehicles in front or behind their property. But they don't. Why? Wife runs one of those day care centers things out of the house in the daytime. My guess is that they want to keep the front of the house clear for "customers" to drop off their kids.

    So where do the vehicles go that aren't in the back? In front of my house. Well, I know I don't own the street in front of my house. And its one thing to take up space in front of a neighbors house for a few hours, or a day, or a few weeks, or several months. However, the years-on-end thing gets under your skin.

    Sorry about all that. Just venting a little.

    Lets talk about Binders.
     
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    Jerry, buy a couple more Scouts and park them in front of your house.
     
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    Seafoam smoke bomb... the way I do this is on older stuff is get it running and SLOWLY pour a can of seafoam into the brake booster vacume line.. that engine will smoke like a mosquito fogger on steroids. Once the can is gone hook up the booster line and hold the rpm up at about 1500/2k till the smoke clears. YouTube seafoam smoke. Gurren teed to get him rattled up
     
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    Think I'll save that one up for the day I move out :devil::punk:

    -Josh
     
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    Lol
     
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    I feel 'ya as well. I don't pull that kind of stuff at all.

    Last I'll say on it is, in my defense, I don't normally park on the street at all. Plenty of room in my driveway, and I keep my "project" stuff garaged or stored. I left my car out there for a few minutes when I was shuffling vehicles around and my wife asked me to come inside and watch the kids while she made a quick run to the grocery store. And it was in front of MY house, with possibly a few inches of overhang onto "his" street front parking.

    I also feel like there's a big jump between "Maybe I'll knock on my neighbor's door and ask if they can move their vehicle" and "I'mma try to shove his car out of the way with my truck", and no attempt has ever been made by this dude to try the NICE way on something he is pissed about. When I have tried to talk to him and be sociable in the past he has literally ignored me, turned and walked off.

    Additional venting done.

    Now back to Binders.
    -Josh
     
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    Additional update related to my motor problems. Some detective work happened.

    I was looking through the manuals that the PO gave me with the Scout, and noticed he had some stuff tabbed / marked with sticky notes.

    The section on carburetor tuning- and he ended up throwing on an Edelbrock...

    The section on steering column wiring, and he had ended up hacking in a starter button...

    And- the section on the oil system and oil pump replacement...

    Bum-bum-BUMM

    I'm thinking an improperly placed pickup is sounding a lot more likely.

    Also found a receipt for Head Gaskets, so I'm worried...

    -Josh
     

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