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Discussion in 'General IH Tech' started by rlireland, Feb 25, 2008.
I started a new thread about it. I don´t want to hijack this one.
Just noticed on Randy's military Scout LST that the engine is listed as a 4 cyl hi comp. Never seen that before. Is that high compression? If so, is there any noticeable change in performance? If the Government purchased it, it must be something else as I wouldn't expect them to pony up for something like that.
And, in the column between the description and the codes, it looks like all the military-specific items/codes have a "SE". Special Edition or ?
"ENGINE 4CYL HI COMP" is something that pops up once in a while, vs the more usual "ENGINE 4 CYL IH". It seems to me I looked at this some years back when researching to make a list of all engine codes. I'm sitting looking at that list now but if I drew any conclusions, I didn't write them down and don't recall. Maybe after my second cup of Gunpowder Green Tea kicks in. If I find something, I'll write it down.
Both engine descriptions have the same code #12095, which is used in the '61-65 era and to '68 in the 800 line when the 152 was discontinued. In this era, there was also a special export Low Compression (LC) engine notation that pops up for export models... but it has the same code number, though a different description.
How to interpret this? I have seen documentation on the Low Compression export engine option being discontinued in 1967 because of low use. Nothing about High Compression engines. Need more study I guess, but my gut tells me to interpret it as "Not Low Compression." The military contract orders are a lot like export orders so it's possible thre was some protocol invovled. I need to go back a survey some LSTs again to see in what context the "High Compression" notation appears. Seen it many times, though.
SE codes don't always indicate a military component, of course, but in this case, some of those SE codes are found ONLY on military contract rigs. Would sure love to have a master list of SE codes, which I'm sure IH kept. Compiling them from LSTs as I have time but sometimes the description as a little too cryptic to know exactly what the component is or does.
G356598 1970 scout. 5/7/1969 roll test. 5/13/1969 Final inspection
Since you have the dates, not much I can say but if you post the LST, I might find something noteworthy on it.
New one to my fleet
1970 800A SR2
6 cyl auto transmission, 4.27 gears
Overall very clean Scout
Probably built 6/15/70. Red SR-2, #2. Neat! Have another, a Gold #11 in my files that was only 31 spaces ahead of yours on the line.
It has the code 14028 rear axle and is below chassis number G422014, so has a true Powr-Lok.
Does the Code 10904, "Scout Promotional Vehicle", go with the SR-2?
The rear seat code, 16823 9617 is the same as for my 800B.
So are the rear sliders, 16893 9601 (I think, re the last 2 digits).
It also shows code 16776, "Omit Bulkhead"; with 800's this late, was the bulkhead standard on some versions? Why that notation here?
Lotta codes stayed the same thru the generations of Scout. The 10893 code for sliders was also used in Scout II.
And, yes, the 10904 code was the SR-2 Package code.
Thanks guys for the information. I’ll be digging into this one soon. Very clean with at least two small rot holes and a dented fender. Other than that the body is straight. Worth keeping the patina and just getting it running. Once I’ve had a chance to go through her I’ll post something on the build threads
About those SE codes on the military scouts… I’m wondering if they had more to do with a “procedure” like special torques or recording of torques then it has to do with different component parts to install.
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Mostly components. Some of them would include the special data plates, hooks hitches and tie-downs, etc. Basically anything the government required that was outside IH's normal supply line. If you meant the "HI-COMP" engine description, that wasn't exclusive to any contract, it just appeared for a while and then faded away. Don't know why for sure but I'd guess it has something to do with department managers and differences in outlook.
I got a s/n of G350125 from a Scout for sale on Facebook. The LST is stamped DOLL-UP-SCOUT but I don't see any line items for a special edition or prototype.
Could it have been special ordered with some features that weren't on a regular build?
Note the code for "Scout Body w/Travel Top" ... 16023. That's the code for the Custom trim level for the 800A, hence the "Doll-Up" code. A standard Scout was code 16022 and no "Doll-Up" notation would be present.
Roy I’m curious how you keep track of these? Accel spreadsheet? Loose leaf spiral bound notebook?
So were all Scout 800's with Travel Tops designated as "Doll-Ups"?
I add them to an Excel spreadsheet. Collected 560 so far.
Nope, the written designation is the same, "Scout body w/Travel-Top" just the code was different (16022 std., 16023 dollup). I've seen some minor variations in the description but I quote from LSTs in the same era as the one you presented.
I guess what I'm asking is "what qualifies this particular Scout 800A as a "Doll-up"? Were there other items like chrome bumpers or upholstered door panels?
Ah! Ok, rather than list all the things individually, they used the one code for the Custom trim and the line had parts books that told them what goodies were to be pulled for the particular Scout. Note below the excerpt from the 1969 price book: