1980 Scout II Traveler, first time IH owner

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  1. SteveHolland

    SteveHolland Farmall Cub

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    First Time Scout owner. I guess surprises are part of it. My rig started life as a Terra (I think) It has a line of bolts where the bulkhead would be, but has the 'original' back seat mounts as well. (seats aren't original, I don't care about original - but if I sit in them the roll bar is at eye level.) In 5 years it will be my oldest son's Zombie Apocalypse ride. Idea is to look good, but reality is it will probably never see anything rougher than a dirt road - Which in North Alabama can be pretty bad.

    Any way you can tell from the VIN what the vehicle was when it left the factory?

    It's a 1980, 118" wheelbase 345 automatic. 3.5 or 4" lift, 33" 12.5 R15s, recovery front bumper. It's been sitting & messed with enough that I'm still spending time cleaning the whole thing up. (buy stock in POR-15) First thing I did was pressure wash it (the interior!) I bought it to work on with my 3 boys. They love the car driven on the TV show Zeek & Luther therefore . . . wife went along with a Scout II. (The Zeek & Luther mobile is a 68 or 69 Bronco, but don't tell them that)

    Runs well, not quite up to snuff for a daily driver, but not far off. At some point it had undercoating applied so rust isn't too bad, except where it wore thru - then it's awful (Florida beach car) The rear end is a problem, probably will do a body off, but want to drive it some first. It will be the 11 year old's first car, so in 2-3 years he'll be motivated to assist.

    Is there anyplace I can get CHEAP seats for the back? I really want to bolt down 4 single seats in the back so it seats 6. Budget isn't too tight, but not made of money. Also - any recomendation for front seats on a budget? (What should I look for in the slavage yard?)

    Already did the starter solenoid. Headlights didn't work and electrical was squirrley, but a new dimmer switch seemed to correct a bunch of odd behavior. The turn signals flash too quickly. Probably due to a very new looking trailer connection. What heavy duty replacement flasher should I use? The "thing" the trailer wires are wired to on the firewall is wrapped in electrical tape. Is that worth replaceing? (what is it?) rear quarter panels are fiberglass.

    The fiberglass top shows crazing and generally just looks bad. Should I use a Marine gel-coat? Any product recommendations?

    - - - OK - I've spent 20 min trying to add photos. I will eventually.


    Steve Holland
    USNA '93

    1980 Scout II
     

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  2. Ellocomotive

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    Hey! I too have my first Scout, which is also the 1980 Traveler, but is a diesel.

    According to Mjolnor, PT cruiser seats will fit as a replacement for the front seats.

    As far as a rear seat, you could look to late Chevy trucks, as they have an integrated seat belt.

    I am currently in the middle of a Hydroboost conversion.


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  3. Will Marsh

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    Moved from the knowledge base to General IH Tech. Please post your questions here, you'll get better responses.

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  4. Thomas

    Thomas Dreams of Cub Cadets

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    ---What color rear seat are you looking for? I have a golden, embossed w/leaf pattern from a Ralleye that is in excellent condition (just needs cleaning the dust & such accumulated from storage) and two dark green in fair-good condition. Bessemer, AL., about 2 miles N. of exit 6 on 459 (Morgan Rd.). If interested shoot me a PM & give me a couple/few days to get back to you. I'll have someone pull them & see about pics. If you decide yes, we'll work out details on how much, when & where to pick them up, etc.

    ---I have a few other parts still stored out that way, so let me know if there's anything else you're looking for. There's quite a few binderers out that way & more seem to be coming out of the woodwork with each passing week. Welcome to the site & Slab "the Slab" remains open as a hang-out/playground, so "y'all" can show people what a real truck can do in Alabama Red Mud with as little as a grunt.

    ---You'll find more Scouts & IHs at pull-a-part in GA, TN & MS than you will in AL. Check their site online & if you see one just arrived, jump on it before yardiots have a chance to damage parts while removing others. I've often found mint doors pried open because someone removed interior panels, lock cylinders & handles & fools didn't know to lift the rod to unlatch the doors, so they borrowed a tire iron from a junker to use as a prybar! While there, scout for Nissan auto-locking hubs (hardbody pickups & early pathfinders) to sell on eBay... LOL. The dealerships in 2005 wanted $180 a hub & didn't sell anything but an assembled unit. It makes even a worthless trip worthwhile if you find a couple good pairs. Nab some '50s-'70s, round glass, Yankee Metal mirrors for a few bucks as well, if you spot them. They're a hot item for a lot of us IHers.

    ---You only have one... ATM. When you have more than one, don't park them close together and leave them alone for any length of time... unless you want them to multiply.
     
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    Sorry, I see the pics now. Very nice!
     
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  6. fredsterra

    fredsterra Y-Block King

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    Nice Rig and Welcone to the BP !!

    It would be worth your while if you can even for one day. Come up to Springfield OH for our Scout and Light Truck Nationals.

    Lots and Lots of Scouts, Pickups and Travelalls! It's a great place to see and meet other IH owners. Along with lots of parts vendors! And our cookout at the Hampton Inn on Saturday Night is the best!!

    Sept. 7-9 Clark County Fair Grounds. Springfield OH.
     
  7. SteveHolland

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    Help,

    2 issues that are keeping my 1980 Traveller off the road:

    Needs:
    1. Horn doesn't work. Investigated and the horn button just isn't there. Is there an aftermarket kit? My fallback position is to dash mount a button. Junkyards with Scouts seem to be non-existant around Huntsville AL. (Pls remember on a budget) No idea if the steering wheel is stock or not. Not sure what stock looks like.

    2. Windshield wiper switch worked exactly once then froze solid. I know I can get a replacement less than $40, but does a kit exist to add delay? (cheap) When I'm done with the phosphoric acid and POR 15 I'll probably end up doing a full rewire, but that's probably 18 months away at the rate I'm going.

    Wants:

    3. Can anypone recommend an Steering stabilizer kit?

    4. It came with a 4" lift: What shocks should I use? The one on it now - well lets just say I'm not sure i'd notice if they were stolen in the night. (not that I can think of anyone wanting them)
     
  8. Doc Stewart

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    Horn doesn't work: Yell or wave middle upright digit - works here in San Francisco! O'Reileys has a horn button to mount on the dash.

    Windshield wiper switch: Any of the Light Line dealers have them. I would take it apart to see if I could fix it, spend hours on it, swear a lot then buy one. Some of us never learn.

    Any local 4x4 shop will have a steering stabilizer kit. Nothing special about them.

    Shocks: For occasional use, buy cheap. For off road or Daily Driver, get the better ones. You will need to know the full travel dimensions.
     
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    If you need to replace the wiper switch. Go ahead and get the delay switch. Well worth it! And the motor may have some issues. It's not hard to take out and check. If you have a battery charger. Try a low amp charge for low and high amp for high. And might not be a bad idea to remove one of the caps and spray a can or two of electric parts cleaner inside. It helped mine about 70%. I now have almost normal wiper speed.
     
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    Also, most of the gears in the wiper motors are clogged with old, dry grease. Clean and re pack. Chassis grease will do.
     
  11. SteveHolland

    SteveHolland Farmall Cub

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    Which delay switch is the best fit? I've searched, but honestly the different info out there has left me confused.

    How do you measure travel on the shocks?
     
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    Shock travel:
    Jack up the front end by the frame until the wheels hang. Use a pry bar to extend the wheel down as far as possible on one side - that will give max length.
    Then use your HiLift jack to raise one side rear as high as safely possible. That will compress the opposite front. If it hasn't hit the bump stop, Take that extra distance into account calculating max compression.
     
  13. SteveHolland

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    To start off - Thanks to everyone, it's a great help.

    Now on to the sucess story - with rapid follow-up of my next problem.

    345 was running rough, had to crank the idle up to get it to run cold. When hot I could turn it down again, but it missed and overall ran like crap. The I found the hose to no-where. Plugged it and things run much better, especially cold. I turned the idle down and starts are much easier.

    Problem is - PO added carb (unknown part # from Summit) with electronic choke. and I have no idea why this vacuum hose was disconnected. The terminal it used to meet is plugged - intentionally, so . . . .?????

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  14. SteveHolland

    SteveHolland Farmall Cub

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    Hit the wrong button - Meant to continue

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    So - I think - I plugged a vacuum leak. Now on to my next issue:

    What distributor is this?

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    The cap is just a bit loose. The retaining clips have lost their temper. Half tempted to break out the bailing wire to crimp it down tight. The cap is new and the previous owner said it and the rotor were new - starting to wonder if they are the right ones.

    Current symptoms are:

    A LOT of unburnt fuel in the exhaust, even at smooth idle. Bogs down and misses under moderate acceleration. My gut says ignition issue - therefore my question about the distributor. Since I'm trouble shooting by part number - what should I change first? I have a set of plugs and intend to order a set of Magnecor wires. Should I go with the 8mm ($95) or 8.5mm for $172? (10 mm are $212) Some folks like the Bosch, but until I want to hold off until I figure out if I need to replace the distributor & coil.

    Just prior to plugging the "extra" hose I found it doesn't want to idle hot while in gear. After running 15 minutes it stalls at traffic lights and is a pain to restart. If I put in neutral she idles great, but left in Drive she dies. This might have been corrected by the hose plug, haven't had a chance to check.

    Also I have this:

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    Taking up space where I'd love to insert a second battery. It's disconnected and in Alabama the vehicle will never see an emissions test or inspection station. Anybody want it? I'll probably put it on eBay this week.
     
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    SteveHolland Farmall Cub

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    Other random photos of stuff that just doesn't look right to my novice / untrained / no real clue - eye. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  16. ihscoutlover

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    Did you get your horn button figured out if not I can take pics of my set up and post them for you. I have a sep button for my horn on my column :punk:.
     
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    SteveHolland Farmall Cub

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    Nope - I have a air horn sitting on the dash. Pictures would be good.
     
  18. SteveHolland

    SteveHolland Farmall Cub

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    NOT the neutral safety switch

    OK - New issue.

    Scout refused to start, but things seemed pretty normal. Lights worked . . . Put it in Neutral and it started normally. Found the neutral safety switch - had electrical tape wrapped around it.

    Previous owner seemed to have a code - Duct tape = temporary repair, electrical tape - means he fixed it, but just seemded to like using it. Bailing wire = permament Repair

    Anyway I figured the neutral safety switch filed, $13 dollars later - still acts the same way. Incidentally I normally park on flat ground, I had to park on a slight hill and discovered "Park" doesn't engage and it's effectively in Neutral - nothing's engaged. I recently took the console and boot off of the shift lever and have trouble getting it into reverse. I have to pull down into drive then back up to reverse for it to engage. Once engaged everything seems great.

    I suspect I need to adjust the shift lever in some fashion - How?
     
  19. Bill USN-1

    Bill USN-1 Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Steve, first let me say thank you for keeping your questions in the same thread and not starting a new one with every question.

    You may have a couple different things going on.
    The no start in park could be the adjustment. If it does not lock in pk then start there with the shift cable adjustment.
    If the cable is real stiff to move then it may be time to pull and oil or just replace.
    The round barrel on the end can be turned in and out to adjust.

    There is also a relay that is used for the NSS. The NSS is on the side of the trans with the 3 wires going to it and the relay is under the center of the dash. The key switch sends the 12v to the relay to energize it. Then 12v is sent to the starter solenoid via the white wire thru the fire wall.

    No reverse may be a common symptom of the 727. The 727 will drain the fluid from the torque converter when parked.
    The system does not pump fluid in park. So when you go from pk to rev the converter has to fill back up first before going in gear.
    If you start it in N then the fluid should pump up right away and you can go to rev.

    There is a kit to prevent the drain back made by transgo. It is the No YOYO kit.
    But the parts are also avail as part of the TF-2 reprogramming kit, which is a better option if your going to drop the valve body out of the trans to fix the drain back issue.
     
  20. scorp1us

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    You have a prestolite distributor.

    I leaned forward on my shift lever and it would start while turning the key. See if yours does that. I just ended up replacing my cable, no adjustment worked, it simply had stretched, just this summer too, on my 1980.
     

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