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Discussion in 'General IH Tech' started by MattKelley, Aug 24, 2015.
Photos of virgin unexposed dash paint from behind the vent and the glove box. Also my 68 Travelette dash is the same color. A picture of that but not a good one. I included the vent in each photo for reference. The dash paint is remarkably close to the inside door color that I can assume is the Paint Chart Color 104S 1501CH, last line listed on my LST
Found the door panels again and I forgot how bad they were. Anyhow the unexposed DP material is closer to a silver with a hint of gold much like the dash paint. Could be a bit faded from age.
I could be wrong. I recovered a backseat a few months ago. it was made of one piecel/one color of high density high quality foam. It was cut and formed perfectly for the seat bottom. The first time I ever saw the foam made from small
glued pieces was the early 1980's when i had a job upholstering gym equipment. I only did that for a short time, so i'm not an expert. I would like to know for shure when the multicolored foam first came into use.
I make ih seat covers,and have came across atleast 5 back seats with the multi colors,never saw one that was not.This is the only IH seats I have found that way.
Sorry about that previous No Post. My CS has a padded visor, about 3/4 inch thick. It is a correct visor for the wiper motors, but don't know if it is the one that the vehicle was born with. The color on mine is a grey color. My RCS has the thin probably masonite-board visor that is red in color. I think it is original also.
Wow. Those are pretty scorched!
I had the remainders of the original covers when I got my CS 80. They were very like the door panels in color and material.
UV etc @ 8000 feet, unmitigated for 18 years. Yikes!!
I am in the process of getting new door panels (sewn by a seamstress/quilter), and seat covers done. I won't have them until next spring.
This is what my sun visor looks like... The PO had to improvise!
Just a little FYI on something here. The "104S" part of that line is the Paint Instruction Code and it varied by the Scout model, era, type of paint (metallic required slightly different application for example), where and how paint was applied (was the dash painted other than body color, for example). There are a great many of these codes and we tried to discover if there was a master key archived but we didn't find one. By looking at thousands of LSTs, we were able to deduce certain things but not enough to go on record with it (I have an unofficial list). We do know that a 100 code is a single color and a 200 code is a two tone. 104 is one of the least common codes and may be unique to the Champagne as I haven't seen it on any other Scout LST as yet. 100 is most common for Scout 80 and 800 and 101 for Scout II. There are a few other very rare or unique codes an they run from 100 to 114. The letter suffixes after also changed by era and type of vehicle, but always start with "S". The S was in the 80 and 800 era. When the Scout II debuted, they went to a two-letter suffix, SC for a Scout II, SP for a Terra, ST for a Traveler and SS for the SSII.
This is arcane stuff but wouldn't it be grand for restorers to find a master key to the various codes and know the details of what the paint shop did?
Some advertisements I found depicting a Scout 800/Champagne interior. I would like to see an add that shows the CS 80 seats.
The 80 Champagne and the 800 Custom (there were no 800 Champagnes) upholstery were virtually the same as far as I can tell.
There is a lot of bad information out there then.
Wikipedia says: "The "Champagne Series" Scout was a high-option Scout offered in the Scout 80 and later Scout 800 models."
On the the superscoutspecialist page they say: The Champagne edition was a "dolled up" Scout 800.
Yes, Wikipedia is incorrect (that shouldn't be a revelation to anyone either on virtually any topic you care to name ( : < ).
My info is direct from about 18 months of research in primary sources (meaning IH literature and documents) at the Wisconsin Historical Society and in several private archives. Find a 800 brochure and you will see they are known as the "Custom Interior Trim" with serial number prefix 780982 for the Travel-Top and 7809062 for the Cab-Top (the 5th digit indicating a Doll-Up). I have attached the first 800 Data Sheet and Page 1-6 shows it. I have dozens of other references. The interior was nearly the same, so it's an understandable mixup. Bottom line, IH didn't call it a "Champagne Series" therefore it isn't one. In this era, International divided the Scout into the Utility line and the Custom line.
The back story on so many 800 Customs being produced is that the Sportop was supposed to debut at the same time as the rest of the 800s and be the top-line Scout. It was delayed due to manufacturing problems with the tops. Production of the '66 model year 800s (all 800s were '66 Model year) was going hot and heavy and they needed a high-end option NOW so they ordered extra interior pieces the same or similar to the 80 CS and kept on rolling. Production of the Sportops didn't start until November and then at a low pace, so the Customs were rolling out in droves at first. The Custom proved more popular than the Sportop (plus it was a LOT cheaper) and that's why the Sportop went bye-bye in '68 and nobody at IH shed a tear.
So were all the 800 Customs LST stamped as "Doll Up Scout"?
Thanks for setting the record straight! This thread has been very helpful for hashing out a lot of CS details.
That is correct. "Doll Up Scout" was a term that started with the Red Carpet and continued thru the Scout II era on any high end trim Scout... of which there were many. When John (Glancy), Howard (Pletcher), Doc (Sommer), Tom (Clark), George (Kirkham) and I were at WHS going thru LST files, we shortened it to "dollup"
All I can say is stand by to have your Scout world rocked. We are shattering a lot of myths and correcting a lot of erroneous "common knowledge" about Scouts.
That is what you call a "secondary source" but nonetheless an error. John and I plan a revamp of the sSs site once the book is done and we catch up on all the other work we postponed while working on it.
I agree! Thanks for all the information! I'm glad I own a "documented" Champagne Series Scout 80!
Sorry for bringing up an old thread but I'm curious if I might have a CS Scout. I got the LST but it is supper fuzzy though I can make out some entries, especially when compared to someone else. My LST is very similar to Robert Kenny's on page 2 of this thread. including chrome front and rear bumpers, 5 chrome wheels, DOLL UP travel top and DOLL UP Rear. There is no carpet in the truck but it shows signs of damping material on the transmission hump and rear area. There are signs of a head liner and I have a door panel from the passenger side. the dash is black though and the LST doesn't say DOLL-UP-SCOUT at the top. Seats look to be original and the door panel, front and rear seats all match color wise and are a tan color. The interior paint is a tan color as well as the exterior.
I scanned my LST and inspection card, it can be viewed here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5_ltyxfOYEuRjUzR0dsV1lKaWs/view?usp=sharing