M-2-4 2574 Restoration [Archive] - Binder Planet Forums

McIntire

10-04-2009, 05:01 PM

Today is the official start of my restoration of M-2-4 2574. It's taken me six months to get settled in and ready to start this restoration. Today I pulled the incorrect BD240 and cab from the frame. I plan to pull the bed after I fill in some old drilled holes. Hopefully I can get these pictures to download to show what it looks like today.

Stan Lazeski

10-04-2009, 06:04 PM

Looking good! I cannot wait to start my thread, hopefully in just a few weeks. I will be putting my truck in the shop and starting my restoration. I will be following your post closely, and will probably have a lot of questions. Stan

McIntire

10-07-2009, 04:53 PM

I pulled the bed today will have pictures tomorrow. I plan to have the frame apart and sand blasted this weekend.

McIntire

10-10-2009, 06:32 AM

I did some more parts removal yesterday. Here is the frame as it looks today. Has anyone ever seen frame plates like these added to thier truck? I plan to remove the rear step, transfer case and any other little thing attached to the frame today. I plan to have the frame sand blasted and on jack stands in my garage by next weekend.

Dave Ball

10-10-2009, 01:24 PM

Hi Scott...

I have seen this done by Bubba on a truck that had a midship winch added for a boom.
The M-2-4 tends to snap the frame right behind the cab if treated poorly.
The M5 does the same thing at the front transfercase crossmember and is usually got that type of plate from the factory if its s dump or LWB truck My M5 has the double frame from the factory. You can usually tell this by rivets holding parts on not bolts or weld.
Your making progress looks great.
I have a suggestion for what its worth...
Start another thread that shows your progress and your notes that pertain to your resto and let everyone know that if they want to ask questions or if you have questions to do so on this thread.
That way you have an uninterupted record of your work for you and everyone else to enjoy once its done.
Otherwise it can become a rambling mess with everyone jumping in and hijacking your thread. Maybe one of the moderators can lock your thread so only you can input into it.
Any Moderators have there ears on!!! Thoughts.
Just a thought.

McIntire

10-10-2009, 05:14 PM

You know I really like that Idea. That's why I started this one on the first day of restoration and abandoned my other threads. It drives me crazy looking through all the pages to find the one post with the one picture I'm looking for. I want to post as many before and after pictures as possible. I was pretty sure the frame rail plates where Bubba products Inc. I'll be taking them off tomorrow and will post new pictures. We had bad weather here today so I just did a little sand blasting in the cabinet. Here is my rear license plate holder before and after.

McIntire

10-11-2009, 05:04 PM

Pretty good day today. I finished stripping down the frame. Bad news is I have a little more work than I planned on. The front spring mounts are pretty messed. The camera had a hard time focusing. Tomorrow I'll be filling all the drill holes from the side plates that were on the frame and I might even get it sandblasted.

McIntire

10-15-2009, 11:36 AM

Is there a source for IHC NOS parts like there are for Jeeps and Dodges? I will need to replace all of my spring shackle pins. I sure would like to get some NOS IHC verses having a machine shop make some. Next will be the wheel cylinders and master cylinder. If none are available out there I'll be going with White Post Restorations for thier wheel cylinder and master cylinder rebuild.

Stan Lazeski

10-15-2009, 02:04 PM

A friend of mine just ordered a new master cylinder for his KB from NAPA, it was pricey but they still could get one. I have not compared it side by side for the M2, or checked the part number but it sure looks like they used the same ones. As far as wheel cylinders, I think my friend said his KB used the same wheel cylinders as 40's era Ford trucks, and they could be had from Ford restoration suppliers. Stan

jzimm

10-15-2009, 02:20 PM

It never hurts to check with places that were IH dealers back in the 50's and before. On of the local tractor dealers also sold IH trucks up until the 60's. This summer I asked about any NOS truck parts they might still have in the back and I was allowed to look through several shelves of old parts. I found some GD engine parts and maybe a starter that might work for an M2. Bottom line is it never hurts to ask.

One other note......they never put these parts into the computer inventory for some reason, probably because they no longer deal in Navistar/IH.

McIntire

10-21-2009, 06:14 PM

With one more week of good weather I went ahead and had my frame and bed sandblasted. I have to fill some drill holes in the bed as well as the frame. I removed the front shackle mounts to have them machined to get rid of the enlarged shackle pin holes.

McIntire

10-26-2009, 06:57 PM

The tear down went fast. I now have the frame at home in the garage. I'm trying to get the rear axle on first along with the frame fixes I have to accomplish. I'm getting alot of the small parts blasted and painted for reassembly. My front spring mounts will keep my progress slow. I didn't pay enough attention when I took the rear flexible brake line bracket. The one on the driver side at the rear of the frame that connects the steal line to the rubber one going down to the axle. Is the angle of the L bracket facing forward or backward? I also need the location of the exhaust hangers since my truck had extra steal plates on the frame. I have two brackets and they were both on the inside of the frame.
Thanks in advance for your response.

denubilo

10-27-2009, 10:35 AM

There are three hangers.
I will shoot you pictures when I can.

Looks like one in front and one behind the muffler.
And one further back.
The position can be located by the two verticle holes in the frame about 2" apart.

Paul

McIntire

11-03-2009, 05:51 PM

My frame and bed are now in the garage. Its hard to get pictures due to the size of my garage and the over cast days. I'll try to get some this weekend if its sunny outside. My father in law is making my wood for the bed rails. I'm hoping to have the rear axle housing mounted by Thanksgiving which will allow my to mount the bed which is in beautiful shape after sandblasting. I'm tight on space so even though I may be putting the cart before the horse, mounting the bed will buy my some space to work on everything else.

McIntire

11-22-2009, 07:34 AM

My father in law did a great job on my wood rails to mount my bed but I can't get the pictures to give the work justice. The wheel cylinders are a dead end so I'll be sending mine out to White Post Restorations this week. The Shocks are getting ready to get sent out as well. My goal is to have the rear axle housing mounted during Thanksgiving. The weather, my job and space have slowed my progress.

McIntire

11-22-2009, 06:26 PM

Just some pictures of the wood.

McIntire

12-05-2009, 06:38 AM

My restoration is on hold until I get back from Afghanistan. Right now I'm packing up my garage so my wife doesn't have to trip over parts until I get back. Thank You to all that have commented on my progress and for the advice from the experts out there. I hope to finish this truck and still have it ready for the 2011 MVPA Convention in Ohio.

Dave Ball

12-05-2009, 08:23 PM

Scott...

I don't know what to say except Thanks.
At 51 years old I hate to be away from home for long. It seems the older I get the closer to the shop and my family I like to stay.
Not sure what your job is over there but I hope you stay safe and come home ASAP.
It is Marines like you that make it possible for me to enjoy the freedoms and saftey I have.

Merry Christmas to you and your family.

denubilo

12-06-2009, 01:43 AM

Godspeed Sarg.
Paul de Nubilo

McIntire

12-06-2009, 06:47 AM

Thank you gentlemen. I'm a 0369 Infantry Platoon Sergeant.

denubilo

12-06-2009, 01:54 PM

Say hello to my two gransons over there ! One is a Corpsman with the Marines the other a dogface!

Take Care
Semper Fi1
Paul

Jeff Norgren

12-08-2009, 08:01 PM

Ssgt MacIntire,
I would like to thank you for your service and I wish you the best.

Jeff Norgren

McIntire

12-11-2009, 03:47 PM

I couldn't leave my bed laying on the garage floor while I was gone. Eight marines from my platoon came over after work today and helped to lift it up and onto my frame. Pictures to follow. Are there supposed to be any holes other than the stake pocket holes on the top rail?

denubilo

12-14-2009, 04:21 AM

There are some holes on the top of the bed rail for the 2 seats.
Paul

Dave Ball

12-14-2009, 02:05 PM

I sold a couple of the rear seat brackets a couple of months back and it did not look like they were mounted into the top rail. I could be wrong.
I should have took pictures. Hind sight is 20 20.
Here are a couple of pictures of M2's driving in the foothills above Ocean beach I enlarged them so that they could be used for detail.
Looks like other than the gun mount on the one the rails are devoid of attachments.
One of the trucks has something on the grill guard on top of the radiator anyone have a clue what that is. With my big magnifier it looks like the shape of a siren. Seems like a low branch would ripe that off.
I have seen pictures of beach master trucks with radio gear and those may have had antenae's mounted as well as radio mounts attached to the top rails.
Hope the pictures help.

Dave Ball

12-14-2009, 02:58 PM

You M2 guys need to start a bed thread to show differences in what your beds have attached to them or in this case holes drilled that your not sure of welding closed because they naybe options you want to add later. You can get a moderator to move the posts from here to there if you dont want them in this thread.
Here are two more pictures one is a rear shot of Dave Klinks M1 an awesome restoration and the second picture is of a bed I had in my yard that I sold.
Paul your tailgate came from this bed.

McIntire

01-02-2010, 06:57 PM

Almost 3 months to the day that I started my restoration and now I'm on hold until after my next deployment. I'm off for a pre deployment field operation then I'm gone. This is where my truck stands right now. I had the brake parts all redone from White Post Restorations and the Shocks done at Apple Hydraulics. I have had to put the cart before the horse by putting the bed on the frame before I have a complete drivetrain but I had to get as much big stuff together before I leave. Before I get out of here I would like to get the rear wheels put on so it's not sitting on jack stands with my daughters running around it while I'm gone.

McIntire

01-02-2010, 07:19 PM

Does anyone out there have a right hand thread wheel stud? I need that and two of the wheel hub nut / seals to put my drums back on the axle.

Dave Ball

01-03-2010, 12:21 AM

Sorry Scott I have them for the big trucks. The stud maybe something a big truck parts house could help with.
The seals are tough the last one I got came from The UK. Send a PM to Tony Corbin.

Stay Safe

:):):)

jzimm

01-03-2010, 08:29 AM

Scott:

I can probably help you out with the wheel studs etc, but I would have to take them off one of my parts trucks. I have been able to get right hand wheel studs from NAPA for my WC's or you can call John Bizal.

It's -32 F right now and the trucks are buried in snow. If you can't find them elsewhere, email me and I'll pull a truck in the shop and see what I can do.

John

TONY CORBIN

01-04-2010, 08:02 AM

Hi Scott
I think wheel studs are the same as 3/4 ton DODGE Try VINTAGE POWER WAGON .Got some their last year .If the seals are the ones in the picture they came from chivy parts supplier KB are the same . Pno 58540-H
T CORBIN

McIntire

02-16-2010, 05:44 PM

Thank You Tony. Sorry it took so long to get back. I've been doing my last bit of training before I deploy to Afghanistan. I have one last thing I want to accomplish on the M-2-4 before I go. I need to get my rear wheels on the axle. I found some NOS grease seals (inner wheel). I had my brake componets done at White Post Restorations and my shocks done at Apple Hydraulics. Both places did a great job and are well worth the money. My questions today are, 1 do I soak the felt seals with anything before I mount the wheel/hub to the axle? 2 When I tighten down the wheel hub nuts how much do I back off?
SSgt McIntire

denubilo

02-17-2010, 05:11 AM

I recognize the tail gate!
Good idea on the seprate bed thread.
I have some holes on the bed rail that I thought wre for the seats.

McIntire

02-26-2010, 06:15 AM

Tony was correct. I just finished replacing my Vintage Power Wagon 3/4 WC wheel stud, it was a perfect match. Side note, I was watching the 1949 movie The Red Danube about post WWII Vienna and there was a M-2-4 in the movie.

McIntire

04-23-2010, 10:21 AM

This is not about working on my truck. I just wanted to let you all know that I'm sitting here in Afghanistan and since my last post this is the first chance I've had to check out Binder Planet. I'm looking forward to getting home in the fall and finishing up my M-2-4. As of right now I have orders to Northern California which means I should be able to meet you West Coast guys in person. This place is no joke. I can't tell you where I'm exactly at but it's not a cozy FOB or base. If I had the M-2-4 over here running it would be alot easier to get around thats for sure. Everyone take care and love your families.
SSgt McIntire USMC Helmund Provice Afghanistan

Dave Ball

04-27-2010, 12:01 AM

Hi Scott...

My guess from all the news I have read trying to follow the War you are somewhere near the largest opium farms in the world probably near the Marjah and Nad Ali regions. basically between a rock and a hard place.
I know it means little but thanks for your service and I will say a prayer.
Stay safe Scott and I look forward to meeting you.
Can you get mail? Anything you need?

:):):)

Colin Rush

04-27-2010, 10:37 PM

Scott,

If you are back by July, come up to the Binder Bee. If you are back by August, come up and drive around the Steens Mountain area with our club for a couple days. Hope to get to meet you.

-Colin

denubilo

05-02-2010, 03:10 AM

Make sure you let us know when you get to Northern Kalifornay so we can come up to see you!
Paul

Jeff Norgren

05-03-2010, 07:04 PM

Scott,
very much look forward to meeting you.I agree with Dave,if there is anything you need there, please post a list and an address.I am sure there are people on this forum who would be honered to help you out.
Thank you for your service
Jeff Norgren

denubilo

06-11-2010, 08:09 PM

Hey Sarge!
Did you make it to California?

Paul

shortbus4x4

06-11-2010, 08:20 PM

Where abouts in N CA?

McIntire

07-05-2010, 12:12 AM

Thanks for the support. As always Dave is correct. Before the harvest all you could see for miles was poppy fields. I'll be home in the fall and will be reporting to Mountain Warfare Training Center in Bridgeport Ca. I do plan to meet as many of the west coast guys as I can. I'll be there three years and the only vehicle I'm bringing is my partially restored M-2-4. I hope to find all the missing parts I need out there. Thanks again, the guys ask me if it's worth being over here, as long as people like yourselves back home care it is worth it.
SSgt McIntire USMC Helmund Province Afghanistan

Dave Ball

07-06-2010, 02:31 PM

Hi Scott...

Good to hear you are ok and will be coming home soon.
Bridgeport gets cold in the winter but if you like trout fishing you will be near some of the best.
Tower Park is in Lodi in the spring (April) and is the largest Military Swapmeet in the west many of us will be there. Maybe you can swing some time off it would be the best way to meet a bunch of us with out driving all over the west.
The area you will be in is just about dead center in the state Pickle meadow. The nearby Hawthorne area is rich in Naval and USMC history and the area has many WW2 vehicles still waiting to be found.
When the United States entered World War II, the Depot became the staging area for almost all the ammunition for the entire war effort.
I had an uncle who was stationed there for awhile as part of the security force. There are a lot of military ghost towns left by the build up one is camp Jumbo.
I am sure you will have some successful hunting in that area.:)
Here is a link to the local MV club the events area will have the dates for Tower Park 2011 this link is too some pictures of Tower park 2010.

http://www.mvccnews.net/archives/2010/041910_delta_sp/sp_delta_10.htm

Stay safe, I look forward to meeting you next spring.

:):):)

spooner

07-06-2010, 06:24 PM

Hi All,

I just thought some might be interested in some photo's as Dave has mentioned Hawthorne Navy Ammunition Depot. I knew these gun barrels were there as up until a few years ago there was no fence around this place and you could see these from the road. The Guards on the gate were nice enough to let me in to take these photo's. It was around 5:30-6am.

16" gun barrels from the Iowa Class Battleships.

denubilo

07-17-2010, 12:07 PM

Hey Sarge,
Hope to see you at the fall Tower Park.
I will be sorting through my extra parts so get your list together.
Paul

McIntire

10-01-2010, 01:09 PM

I am back stateside right now. I have two months to make my M-2-4 a rolling vehicle to be able to load it on my trailer for the commute to Bridgeport CA. I should be out there by mid DEC.

Dave Ball

10-01-2010, 05:23 PM

Welcome home Scott:beer::beer::beer:
Bridgeport in December might be cold but anywhere you can wake up and hug your family is better than where you have been.
Welcome home, Thanks for your service, .:thumbs up:

:):):)

McIntire

11-06-2010, 06:40 AM

It's been awhile since I took this truck apart. I'm ready to re-install the forward body mounts. Can someone look on their truck and tell me if the stud faces outboard or inboard when mounted on the frame? Also could someone send a picture of the correct style horn? I have one but don't think it is correct. If I can get the garage cleaned up I'll post pictures of how the truck looks right now. I finished the trans rebuild last night. My local parts store spent some time tracking down the bearings for me. U-Joints look like the next big hurdle.

denubilo

11-06-2010, 04:57 PM

How about posting the bearing numbers?
There is a set of pictures of my engine compartment on the forum.
I think it shows the horn.
If not I will get you a picture when I get home Monday.
Here is my parts references.
Paul

McIntire

11-15-2010, 04:14 PM

Thanks for all the help everyone. I saw what you had to say on your thread Tony. I just wanted to drop a note and say that I got my wiring harness from Joe Hall at Vintage Wiring of Maine. It's another awesome job and I can't wait to start installing it. On the WWII IHC's did they paint the engine the same color as the truck or did they paint them the IHC engine green?

McIntire

11-21-2010, 04:41 PM

If the weather is nice tomorrow I'll have pictures. My M-2-4 is now a rolling chasis. Thanks to Jeff with some shackle pins and mounts and to a good machinist my front axle is now on the truck. I hope to roll her out of the garage for the first time since it was brought home over a year ago. It's dusty and I plan to wash it off so I can get another coat of paint over the complete chasis.